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I just found a web site that talked about how bad soy is for you.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><a href="http:/anti-peta/soysucks.html" target="_blank">http://vicious_kitten.tripod.com/ant.../soysucks.html</a><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Can anyone tell me if this is fact or fiction?<br><br><br><br>
My husband and I used to eat a lot of soy nuts, but in comparing them with peanuts, walnuts, and sunflower seed, decided that maybe they weren't all that good.<br><br><br><br>
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I'm am guessing that most of that is fiction, made up by the meat and dairy industries. PETA probably did something to piss off some business (sorry, I am anti-peta), and this is their retaliation.<br><br><br><br>
I eat a lot of soy, and I am extremely healthy. My doctor has told me to make sure I eat lots of soy if I am going to be vegan.
 

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First off, it's a tripod site for chissake! I see lots of assinine stuff on sites that aren't reputable. I just go with what is making ME healthy from all the research I have done, and experiences I have had. I don't moniter my eating, but I do eat a lot of soy. And I am perfectly healthy. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
"Before reaching for a carton of soy milk, ask yourself: is this really best for animals?"<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:"><br><br><br><br>
Wow, this sure is making ME question my vegan beliefs. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"><br><br><br><br>
It seems like everything, someday, will cause something bad. Too much of anything can be bad, apparently. Omnis can be extremely healthy, just as a vegan can. So yes, soy is good... but too much is bad. Just as too much protein in any diet. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I couldn't find the actual site due to the 9,999 pop-ups. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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The nutritionist my mom, who isn't vegan or even vegetarian, saw told her she should get 25-30 grams of soy protein a day. I'm going to lean more toward the "good" side of the "good/bad" question; not only based on that, but it helps.
 

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ditto what mayuko said. The people who are reccomending soy aren't just from the AR Physician's group as this website claims they are...but from ALL OVER.<br><br><br><br>
In addition, all of the 'side effects' of soy are what happens when you injest a LOT of it. Meaning more than the reccomended amount. I imagine bad things would happen if you injested too much of anything.<br><br><br><br>
thirdly, I was a baby fed on soy formula because I was allergic to cows milk and cows milk formula. I've had no trouble reproducing, I promise.<br><br><br><br>
My daughter drinks soy milk in moderation (in cereal for instance). I don't believe that moderate consumption of soy milk is bad for you...on the contrary.<br><br><br><br>
Btw, whenever you go to a site which has a heading of "Anti-Vegan Rights", I'd take whatever they said with a grain of salt.<br><br><br><br>
mho.<br><br>
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I dont know which is more annoying ...the message of the site or the countless banner pop-up ads.<br><br><br><br>
(clicks "no popups" in Opera!)
 

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This is odd ...when I click the "no vegan" button , this site appears. Now I find it odd that the top banner image contains all vegetables and fruits LOL!<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.powerhealth.net/" target="_blank">http://www.powerhealth.net/</a><br><br><br><br><br><br>
HEHHE .... the image and also that basket have nothing but veggies and fruit. Where's the piles of steak and hamburger and glasses of milk ....huh???<br><br><br><br><br><br>
What a laugh :)<br><br><br><br><br><br>
(I didn't look any more at that site but found the first page's imagery quite ironic)
 

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"If vegans have their way, the dairy industry will be put out of business."<br><br><br><br>
...Your point being...? For some vegans that's their will...
 

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The latest issue of Vegetarian Times had an extensive article on the the pros and cons of soy. Only they couldn't come up with any cons, almost. I'm not afraid of soy, anyway, and it's so yum and versatile that I'd eat it even if it was....
 

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The site is obviously an parody of PETA and anti AR. It has links to that Weston Price site we have seen and discussed before. You know, the site that says saturated fat is wonderful for your health in large quantities. It also links to other anti-AR and vegan sites.<br><br><br><br>
There aren't even and citations for all the studies listed.<br><br><br><br>
There have been some questions about excessive soy, but I would suggest looking for more reputable sources of info.
 

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Everything I've read about soy suggests that it's only harmful if eaten in large quantities. 25-30 is the recommended amount, so I think we're all fairly safe here!<br><br><br><br>
From what I've read, too much soy can effect the thyroid gland because the isoflavons (sp?) are similar to the hormones that the thyroid produces....or something like that...
 

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how much soy would be considered too much? and would that value be different for men than for women?<br><br><br><br>
I eat at least 70+ grams of protein a day with at least half of them coming from soy ( soy milk, tofu, protein shake ). It's alot, but I lift weights and need alot of protein.<br><br><br><br>
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eating three 20LB watermelons maybe bad for you too, but that doesn't mean watermelon is bad <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> .<br><br><br><br>
Asian medicine suggests eating everything in moderation, period.<br><br><br><br>
------ but how can I EVER get enough decent tofu <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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check this out: <a href="http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm" target="_blank">http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm</a><br><br>
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Thanks for the invitation to interesting reading!<br><br>
Quoting Soy Sucks: While soybeans contain more protein than other types of beans, they also contain enzyme inhibitors that block trypsin and other enzymes needed for protein digestion. That´s true, but they are distroyed by heat.<br><br>
Quoting Soy Sucks: The main problem with feeding soy to babies and children is the presence of phytoestrogens, ... There is a little truth in it! phytoestrogens reduced the risk of both breast and prostrate cancers, but they might be harmful to the development of babies. But studies couldn´t verify this. No defect in the reproductive system of adults, who had been fed soy milk as infants, have been found. You might check this with John Robbins` paper What about soy?<br><br>
Quoting Soy Sucks: FOR MEN: Phytoestrogens in soy cause damage to the entire male reproductive tract, the most alarming symptoms being decreased sperm count and enlarged prostate. Sadly, the negative effects of phytoestrogens on the male body are permanent. PBCs (pollutants), mostly eaten with fish, have an impact on male fertility, they are also called environmental estrogens. Studies with isoflavons have shown that there´s none of the mentioned effects due to soy. I found the following reference in an article: Mitchell JH, Cawood E, Kinniburgh D, Provan A, Collins AR, Irvine DS. Effect of a phytoestrogen food supplement on reproductive health in normal males. Clin Sci (Lond) 2001; 100:613-8.<br><br>
I think, I end here trying to argue on a halfway scientific basis, because:<br><br>
Quoting Soy Sucks: Drink milk! Eat meat! And by all means, steer clear of animal-rights hype. Organizations such as PeTA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) care only about what they think is best for animals - not what science thinks is best for humans! Now the writer has really run out of perspective, but let´s quote Soy Sucks again: Your best defense is to be a skeptic. Always be on your guard against propaganda ... yes especially the propaganda of the dairy industry!<br><br>
I´ve also read THE DOWNSIDE OF SOYBEAN CONSUMPTION by Beatrice Trum Hunter, who is one of Americas foremost food experts and an Honorary Member of NOHA.<br><br>
Quoting Hunter: The only satisfactory method known at present to deactivate these anti-nutrients is by use of traditional fermentation. . . . Unfortunately, the fermentation process is used with only a few soybean products, and ones that are not especially familiar in the American cuisine, nor readily available. The American as well as the Eureopean omnivore cuisines contain more soy than usually known in forms of emulsifiers or proteins.<br><br>
Quoting Hunter: The FDA determined that diets with four daily servings of soy protein can reduce levels of low-density lipoproteins (LDLs). Four daily servings of soy protein will promote the risk of more allergenic reactions. Allergies occur at 1 or 4 servings at the same rate. I´ve heard about the high incidence of allergic reactions to milk, but maybe soy has the same rate, though I´ve never about soy being a specific allergene.<br><br>
I like tofu every now and then and I won´t change my eating habits because of expert Hunter.
 

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<a href="http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/" target="_blank">http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/</a><br><br>
Oh my gawd, Is soy really bad for you??<br><br>
I mean they wouldnt go to all this trouble of telling people it is if it isnt.. But then again this is the internet and you can only believe less than half of what you're told...<br><br>
But still what if soy is bad??!<br><br>
It cant be worse then cows milk can it?!?!<br><br>
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goodness people, soy is so not bad for you! if you want anything reliable, go to PubMed or MedLine and do some real research on actual scientific articles, and you will see that the medical and scientific community only have good things to say about soy. Try, just try, please! and quit with the tripod sites written by anti-vegan teenagers! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 
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