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Alright, in mid december i watched The Earthlings. It made me stop eating meat, for the most part.. since then i've eaten chicken once and fish twice and venison once. Here's my problem.<br><br><br><br>
Hunting has been in my life..well, since i was little. I love it but I DON'T do it for the trophy value of it. I hate when people do. I hate commercial hunters like Jacky Bushman and people similar to him. I did it for the meat, the reason it should be done in the first place.<br><br><br><br>
My question (hard to explain): I'm thinking of continuing to eat venison but cutting out the chicken and fish (obviously). Now, as eating venision, I wouldn't consider myself a vegetarian BUT I will not, under any circumstance, eat "commercially produced food" that involve slaughterhouses or anything of the sort. I plan on eating meat that I harvest myself, an animal that wasn't raised in horrible conditions that of a cow/pig/chicken farm.<br><br><br><br>
I guess im just wondering if vegetarians would see this as being stupid? or what...I have quite a few friends who are..Thanks in advance.
 

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Well, I personally think it's the next best thing to being a vegetarian. Much better than being a pescatarian or something.<br><br><br><br>
In an ideal world, no one would need to or want to kill another living being or subjugate them for their gastronomic indulgeneces.<br><br><br><br>
In this world, I would rather see someone eat game that they have hunted, and killed quickly and respectfully, than see someone eat factory farm produced meat.<br><br><br><br>
I also think that any time anyone cuts down on the consumption of animals, they are doing themselves, the environment and of course, the animals, a lot of good.<br><br><br><br>
I don't know how many people here will share my opinion though, as this is a vegetarian message board. We are happy to have you on the boards here, if you are interested in becoming a vegetarian. (It is part of the Terms of Service that you must be a vegetarian, or interested in being one to be a member). If you are going to continue to hunt and eat venison, this is not really the right message board for you.
 

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"I would rather see someone eat game that they have hunted, and killed quickly and respectfully, than see someone eat factory farm produced meat."<br><br><br><br>
My thoughts exactly, and yes im aware of the tos. After looking through this board, I liked it. But since im probably going to be kicked or something, can you guide me somewhere else?<br><br><br><br>
Thanks for the fast reply too. Appreciate it.
 

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Can't think of anywhere off the top of my head, but you might want to search for organic/natural lifestyles boards or sustainable food boards or that kind of thing.<br><br><br><br>
I spend too much time on this board to really go exploring other ones, sorry <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I think it's better than eating commercially farmed meat, but you don't NEED to do any of it.<br><br><br><br>
However I am fairly sure you DO do it for the trophy value of it. Do you have pictures of yourself next to your trophy kill, smiling proudly like most hunters do? Do you keep any of their random body parts and stuff them and hang them on the wall? You say you love it. What can you possibly love about it except for the game & the thrill of the hunt?
 

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I've answered this question many many many times.. In 6 years of hunting, i've gotten 3 deer. I have no pictures beside any of the EXCEPT the first one which i was 12 or 13 and really didn't know better. But then I started realizing the trophy value of it is stupid. I have no body parts of anything. My dad does, but not me. It really irritates me when people insist i do it for trophy value.
 

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I did it for the meat</div>
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On a side note, I didn't come here to be criticized. I came here to have a question answered. I have one opinion so far and I'd really appreciate it if my thread wasn't hijacked with this.
 

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I agree that it's better than buying meat. Does it not bother you to kill and eat an animal? If not, then you are not a vegetarian, obviously. If your main issues are with the way animals are raised and killed, then you should be at peace with your decision to continue to hunt and eat meat. I, personally, think eating meat is unnecessary. Therefore, even if you are hunting for the meat, I would think part of it also has to be the "sport" of it. You aren't hunting to survive. So, I guess I would see it as pointless, but if you really think you need to eat meat, this is the best way to get it. Well, the best way next to roadkill.
 

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Thanks,<br><br>
The main issue would be the raising and killing of them. A very close runner up would be for health benefits. I've tried doing this in the past but never got more than a week into it. I've been "factory free" (minus the chicken slip up) for a month (my dad caught the fish i ate).<br><br><br><br>
As for not being vegetarian, I've already concluded that I'm not going to consider myself one, as my first post said.<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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yeah, like others have said, I think it's a LOT better than buying commercial meat. I applaud any effort to move closer to vegetarian. But it's not necessary. It's consistent if you are against factory farming and pro-killing animals, I guess. TBH, when I first went pescatarian I would probably have liked a situation like you describe and thought it was alright. Part of the reason I left fish in my diet for a while was because I didn't even know about farmed fish, I assumed they were all caught from their natural environment. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"><br><br>
And now I'm vegan. So you never know, you might start with this and keep moving closer to vegetarianism. Anyway, good luck with whatever you choose and even though I'd LOVE it if you became vegetarian I am still glad you are doing SOMETHING. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
(I'm not sure, but in the TOS isn't there a clause saying you can be on VB if you are 'reducing meat consumption', or something? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thinking.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":think:">)
 

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if not there should be <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> lol<br><br>
time go take my dog outside to do what he needs to do...yay for snowing, 20 degree weather. Then off to bed.
 

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I also think that any time anyone cuts down on the consumption of animals, they are doing themselves, the environment and of course, the animals, a lot of good.<br></div>
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I agree that it's better than buying meat.</div>
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For one person...for the purposes of this discussion, sure. Why not?<br><br><br><br>
But if we subscribed to this theory and everyone went out hunting deer en masses I suspect we would reevaluate our position pretty quickly when we realized that nature has not provided man with a sustainable deer population.<br><br><br><br>
I think if you want meat try to find a farm where the animals are raised and slaughtered humanely. That, to my mind, is better than tampering with an ecosystem by blowing Bambi's brains out.<br><br><br><br>
And hey. I used to love going to the zoo. I used to love pepperoni pizza. I used to love my leather biker jacket. I used to love chicken sandwiches. I have given up all these things and more because it's more important to me to abstain from harming animals than it is to try to rationalize my reasons for doing so.
 

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I am so sorry if I offend you all, but how can you applaud him and his "EFFORTS?"????????<br><br>
You're a killer xxshawnxx! That's my opinion!<br><br><br><br>
I think killing an animal in a slaughterhouse or one in a forest by hunting is pretty much the same!
 

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This is a controversial argument, but it's likely that by hunting and eating venison you are causing more suffering and death than by eating factory farm meat. That's because the effect of one person on the market may be less than noticeable, whereas your effect on the animals you kill is 100% certain. Of course, this kind of argument is not a reason for anyone to eat meat - for one, because veg*nism should be about more than one's personal causal effects on the market - and in larger numbers, i.e. together, people are certainly having an effect on the market. But if people hunted in larger numbers, that would at some point prove to be unsustainable.
 

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While I can't and won't endorse animal killing, I do think consuming what essentially amounts to a vegan diet but with occasional hunted dead animal is far better for animals than most other diets short of veganism. I applaud the OP's willingness to evaluate his diet and committment to nearly eliminating animal products from it. I'll never applaud hunting.
 

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But if people hunted in larger numbers, that would at some point prove to be unsustainable.</div>
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and then they'd be forced to stop! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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I'll never applaud hunting.</div>
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<br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rockon.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rockon:"> Me neither!
 

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This is a controversial argument, but it's likely that by hunting and eating venison you are causing more suffering and death than by eating factory farm meat. That's because the effect of one person on the market may be less than noticeable, whereas your effect on the animals you kill is 100% certain. Of course, this kind of argument is not a reason for anyone to eat meat - for one, because veg*nism should be about more than one's personal causal effects on the market - and in larger numbers, i.e. together, people are certainly having an effect on the market. But if people hunted in larger numbers, that would at some point prove to be unsustainable.</div>
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I actually disagree with you. As someone who only just became vegetarian (mostly - I'm still in a transition phase, so I'm not quite there yet), I've been thinking about how many animals' lives will be spared by my single decision not to eat them. I'm not thinking in terms of overall market trends. I'm thinking in terms of the fact that probably more than 50 chickens died last year just to feed me, plus a couple of cows and pigs, and maybe a couple of dozen fish. I'm having a market impact all by myself. I'm preventing the deaths of dozens of chickens all by myself.<br><br><br><br>
Yes, I know that the meat industry won't slow production because of that small a blip on their radar. But knowing that I combine with the rest of you, including this hunter, is enough to convince me that I'm making a big enough blip for the meat industry to notice and actually slow the killing by at least a few thousand animals per year. How is that less noticeable than this guy shooting 3 deer in his life?<br><br><br><br>
And if he feels bad enough about the suffering of animals to stop eating store bought meat, then maybe we can hope that eventually he'll feel sorry for those deer, too. This guy is a vegetarian waiting to happen. And some of you are acting like he's the enemy, because his first step in the right direction isn't big enough for you. Get over it!<br><br><br><br>
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