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I am saying that leaving a tiny child in a car, regardless of the temp. is indeed neglect. Yet, I do not think that simply making it illegal - or punishing the parent will help. When you punish a parent, you inevitably punish the child.<br><br><br><br>
We all have our faults and none of us can escape nature/nurture.<br><br>
Maybe the woman was raised the same way and simply does not see a risk. Maybe she was never loved and does not know how to show love towards her child.<br><br><br><br>
I am not saying that Marie did anything wrong. I am saying that our society needs to help people parent better. Help and educate, not punish. Because, maybe next time that mother will think it is better to leave her child at home alone, instead of in her car where she gets bugged by other patrons?
 

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"Maybe she was never loved and does not know how to show love towards her child."<br><br><br><br>
Maybe she should of considered that before having a child. Perhaps the child would be better off with someone that actually loves her.<br><br><br><br>
Cases like this I believe do require punishment. Perhaps, part of the punishment would include parenting skills/techniques for the uniformed. My problem with not punishing is, what if Marie was not perceptive and this case went unnoticed, what happens the next time when the temps are hot and the little girl were to suffocate.
 

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I agree that action should be taken, but I disagree that action should include "punishment"<br><br><br><br>
And to say that the woman should have thought of that before she became pregnant...wow. Are you aware that there are people in this world so abused, tired and messed up, they never have time to really "think" about anything except getting by?<br><br><br><br>
I often see parents do things that I wouldn't do and I always think, "What must they do to them at home?" It's my opinion that most parents suck, but they don't know that they do...it's all they know. I don't believe most parents want to harm their children.<br><br><br><br>
No one wants to allow for excuses, but excuses are just reasons.<br><br>
And there is a reason for everything.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by KC Kid</i><br><br><b>Yea, I consider Marie our own VB resident hero. It's perseptive citizens like Marie that can turn potential life endangering events into a happy outcome.<br><br><br><br>
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Thank you, but I didn't do anything special... three or four people total were involved in it all. A customer did most of the looking.
 

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I work at a Department of Social Services, and it is, indeed, a valid Child Protective Services complaint/concern if a small child is left unattended in the car.<br><br><br><br>
We've had instances where a baby sleeping in a car seat was left in the car while the parent went grocery shopping--totally against the law. It is considered "lack of or inappropriate supervision," and can result in the child coming into protective services custody.<br><br><br><br>
In my state there was a man recently convicted for accidentally leaving his three year old daughter in the family van, still strapped in her car seat, in seriously hot conditions where she actually died from it.
 

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I think accidents should be handled as accidents.<br><br><br><br>
Maybe parents should tie a string to the child's foot and attach the other end to themselves...to help prevent such terrible accidents?
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by mushroom</i><br><br><b>I think accidents should be handled as accidents.<br><br><br><br>
Maybe parents should tie a string to the child's foot and attach the other end to themselves...to help prevent such terrible accidents?</b></div>
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There was a case where I lived where a man left his baby in the car while he was at work and it seriously was an accident. He normally didn't take the baby with him anywhere, etc. etc. Although I was outraged when I heard this, the police did treat him differently based on the fact that in no other way was he negligent, etc. There were a lot of unusual circumstances that led to the tragedy. But this was an unusual case.
 

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FemmeDemonica, Everyone that I know has a different opinion on this...one person I know still hires a sitter for her 12 year old "just in case another has an 12 year old baby-sit her children.<br><br><br><br>
When I was 7, I used to walk to the store alone...I see Kindergartners walking home from school alone. Are their parents breaking laws?<br><br><br><br>
It's my opinion that a Kindergartner would be safer for 10 minutes in a locked car on a mild day, than walking home along a busy street...not to mention spending a few hours in their house, alone. It all seems relative, to me.
 

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There's no law in my state, but a few states have laws similar to California's Kaitlyn's Law that "prohibits leaving unattended a child 6 years old or less in a vehicle with the engine running, or if a key is left in the ignition, or if there are other conditions that present a risk of uncontrolled vehicle movement or extreme temperature."<br><br><br><br>
It doesn't sound like the person in your case was breaking this law. Temperatures around here anyways have not been too cold or too hot lately.
 

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The other day there was another incident where a car was stolen with a child in it, left by the parent for a brief moment.<br><br><br><br>
Perhaps after roasting in a car for a few hours, parents guilty of such reckless neglect and stupid thoughtlessness should be bound to the back seat of a car and driven who-knows-where by a stranger.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by mushroom</i><br><br><b>FemmeDemonica, Everyone that I know has a different opinion on this...one person I know still hires a sitter for her 12 year old "just in case another has an 12 year old baby-sit her children.<br><br><br><br>
When I was 7, I used to walk to the store alone...I see Kindergartners walking home from school alone. Are their parents breaking laws?<br><br><br><br>
It's my opinion that a Kindergartner would be safer for 10 minutes in a locked car on a mild day, than walking home along a busy street...not to mention spending a few hours in their house, alone. It all seems relative, to me.</b></div>
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Child Supervision Guidelines in Virginia go like this:<br><br><br><br>
- 0-8 yrs old: may not be left unsupervised<br><br>
- 9-11: no more than 1.5 hours alone--days only<br><br>
- 12-15: May be left alone all day<br><br>
- 16-17: may be left alone all night or over the weekend<br><br><br><br>
As far as leaving cars in vehicles, we don't have a specific law or mandate that I can think of, but I know that my agency, a state agency, will investigate instances of children being left unsupervised in vehicles. Period.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by mushroom</i><br><br><b>FemmeDemonica, Everyone that I know has a different opinion on this...one person I know still hires a sitter for her 12 year old "just in case another has an 12 year old baby-sit her children.<br><br><br><br>
When I was 7, I used to walk to the store alone...I see Kindergartners walking home from school alone. Are their parents breaking laws?<br><br><br><br>
It's my opinion that a Kindergartner would be safer for 10 minutes in a locked car on a mild day, than walking home along a busy street...not to mention spending a few hours in their house, alone. It all seems relative, to me.</b></div>
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Walking to school is a good point, though. Why isn't that child abuse?
 

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I was almost two years old when I "drove" my dad's car through the gardenfence....or should I say over the fence?<br><br><br><br>
He left the car with the keys in it and in 1st gear.<br><br>
And curious as I was, I turned the key.....<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Thalia</i><br><br><b>Walking to school is a good point, though. Why isn't that child abuse?</b></div>
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Who is saying it isn't? If it is concerning to you and you see a child in that situation, call it in to your local sheriff's dept. or child protective services agency. They can attempt to rememdy the situation from there.
 

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Is it (so) unsafe in america that children cannot walk to their school in their town ?
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by FemmeDemonica</i><br><br><b>Who is saying it isn't? If it is concerning to you and you see a child in that situation, call it in to your local sheriff's dept. or child protective services agency. They can attempt to rememdy the situation from there.</b></div>
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But wouldn't people be in an uproar if kids walking to school were suddenly picked up and taken to protective services, pending child abuse charges? I am just wondering if "0-8 yrs old: may not be left unsupervised" is too vague, or should be left up to interpretation on a case by case basis. Is this how it is in VA, or is it strictly interpreted and enforced when people make a report?<br><br><br><br>
I am not sure how I feel about kids walking to school. All I know is that kids 8 and under regularly walk to school by themselves or with other kids, and the public is OK with that, but if a 7 year old is in the car by themself for 10 minutes, it can turn into an outrage. I find that to be an inconsistency in public opinion (not necessarily the law).
 

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When my son was in first and second grade he walked to school... I watched him from my window till he got there. (I could see the school from my apartment) I wanted to walk him, but he didn't want me to. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Thalia</i><br><br><b>But wouldn't people be in an uproar if kids walking to school were suddenly picked up and taken to protective services, pending child abuse charges? I am just wondering if "0-8 yrs old: may not be left unsupervised" is too vague, or should be left up to interpretation on a case by case basis. Is this how it is in VA, or is it strictly interpreted and enforced when people make a report?</b></div>
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For one thing, it's not like children who've been taken into custody are just suddenly scooped up and carried away--it is a very last resort, when all other alternatives for safe placement of the child have been exhausted.<br><br><br><br>
Each case IS considered on an individual basis. Those are <i>guidelines</i>, not mandates.<br><br><br><br>
When any kind of report is given to child protective services, there is exploration of the circumstances and then action. It's not done in haste, except for instances of imminent danger.<br><br><br><br>
If we were to get a report of a child walking alone to school, there are tons of factors to consider: how far is the distance he/she must walk, what kinds of precautions are being taken to preserve the safety of the child, etc, etc.
 

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Guys, calm down. Don't be so worked up over this. Leaving your kid in the car is not a big deal. You should get worked up only when a parent does at least one of the following:<br><br><br><br>
1) Makes his/her kid work 12 hours a day for 6 days a week.<br><br><br><br>
2) Takes his/her kid out of school after 2nd grade.<br><br><br><br>
3) Sells his/her kid into the sex trade or bonded labor.<br><br><br><br>
4) Kills his/her daughter because the family honor was tarnished.<br><br><br><br>
5) Marries off his/her kid at a tender age of 5 or 6.<br><br><br><br>
Leaving a kid in the car alone? WTF?? That is nothing. Be grateful that we don't have any of the above in this country. Moral outrage and activism should be directed at the real problems like above.
 

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Rushabh, have you heard about the cases where children have died from being left in the car while parents went off & did whatever?? About 6 months ago there was a case where a child was left in the car while the father played video games. The child was later found dead. Or how about the case where the grandfather forgot the kid in the car & the kid died??<br><br>
Not a big deal??
 
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