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One for Soilman I figure... Just an article I came across headlining<br><br>
soil quality and satelliting tractors to steer & navigate them more<br><br>
efficiently to prevent soil.. er, solinity, etc..(or so I gather).<br><br><a href="http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=3112812" target="_blank">http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=3112812</a>
 

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That sure is really crazy.<br><br><br><br>
I didn't quite understand from the article how the same tractor, driven by satellite instead of a person, can cause less harm to the ground. Simply by following the same path each time?
 

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Speaking about control of the operation of mechanical devices from far away:<br><br><br><br>
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Paris, September 19, 2001 - Working from New York, Professor Jacques Marescaux and his team from the IRCAD (Institute for Research into Cancer of the Digestive System) have performed a successful operation on a patient located in Strasbourg, France.<br><br><br><br>
The surgery, accomplished with the surgeons and patient separated by a distance of several thousand miles, was the result of a closely-coordinated partnership between IRCAD, the France Telecom group and Computer Motion, the world's leading developer of surgical robotic systems. This is the first time in the history of medicine that a technical solution has proved capable of reducing the time delays inherent to long-distance transmissions, thus making this type of procedure possible.The 45-minute procedure consisted in removing the gallbladder of a patient in surgical ward A in Strasbourg Civil Hospital, in Eastern France. From New York, the surgeon controlled the arms of the Zeus? Robotic Surgical System, designed by Computer Motion, to operate on the patient. The link between the robotic system and the surgeon was provided by a high-speed fiberoptic service deployed thanks to the combined efforts of several France Telecom group entities.<br><br>
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I think these gee-whiz enthusiasts like to leave out important information. Once 2 or more 5 to 10 mm holes are made in the patient's abdomen, a camera is inserted into one, and a grasping tool into another, and more tools into more holes -- then Zeus allows you to maniuplate the tools roboticly. You don't have to stand over the patient and grasp the tool handles. You can push buttons, or move the trackball, or whatever, on the Zeuss console, and while looking at the Zeus screen, and mover the tools that way.<br><br><br><br>
I could be wrong but I don't think Zeus is able to make the initial incisions or shove the tools into them. This seems to be a detail that the article doesn't address, one way or another. If Zeus did make the initial incisions, I'd bed they would probably proudly announce that in the article. Because they left out any mention of the subject, my money is on "Zeus isn't quite that all-capable" and that they are leaving the naive to imagine, to assume incorrectly, they probably hope -- that Zeus <b>is</b> that capable.
 

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Indeed, I checked it out at the robot mfg's web site. <a href="http://www.computermotion.com/productsandsolutions/products/zeus/index.cfm" target="_blank">http://www.computermotion.com/produc...zeus/index.cfm</a><br><br><br><br>
Someone has to be in the operating room not only to make the holes into the patient and shove the tool-arms into the holes, but also to pull them out when the operation is finished, and also to change instruments on the ends of the arms, in the middle of the operation.<br><br><br><br>
While this system is wonderful in that it will enable surgeons with experience in an operation to do the hard part, instead of less experienced surgeons who are local to the patient, it isn't as completely robotic as the websurg article implies. It might even allow remote surgeons to do the skilled part of the operation whilst local non-Medical-Doctor technicians to make the initial incision and insert the tools. But it isn't as super-duper as the article implies.
 

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Okay thats interesting and I understand your point that certain aspects of elementary physical proceedures of these things may not be as fully capable as these remote sophisticated (clinical or<br><br>
other purpose) tools would like to claim themselves to be, which from what you said nearer to the truth therefore is that some of the robotic capbilities of such as you say do fall short of what is actually currently possible, which I suppose is probably true.. (such is the implication of their article left to the imagination of the naive reader, like what you said).
 
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