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that 95% of doctors know SQUAT about nutrition. its a fact, not just something i made up. they dont take much nutrition course. so i take in my son for his 15 month well baby appt. and he has lost 1/2 a lb since his 12 month well baby. she says that he should be at the same weight as before (burning off what weight he would have gained due to how active he is ) or a little heavier than he was. well he has lost 1/2 lb in 3 months which is alot for a baby. so she tells me to put butter on his veggies. ahhhhhhh HELL NO! ONE we are Vegan, TWO, WTF would i want to get him in the habit of only liking veggies if they are slathered in butter? so when he's older he can be overweight and clogged arteries? um, no thanks. so she wants me to give him more fat. uh, soy milk has more than enough. i give him avacados. so she says more carbs. uh, this kids eats ceral for breakfast, whole wheat rice or pasta and whole wheat bread with his lunch and some kind of carb for dinner. he gets enough carbs. so she says up the fruit. uh ok i can do that. yet he eats a ton as it is. THEN she says "well i usually reccommend lots of orange cheese and whole fat milk" ok, so doctors blame parents and wonder why there is childhood obesity......could it be because THEY ARE TELLING PEOPLE TO FEED THEIR KIDS THIS STUFF???? DOctors know SQUAT about nutrition. she asked how he gets his protein. WTF?Confused?????????????? as a doctor she should know that living in america it is about impossible to have a protein defiency. I told her, he eats beans, and tofu and soy milk. she says "there is protein in soy milk??" like she doesnt believe me. DUH soy is a BEAN!!!!!!!! a fricking bean! she reccommends tofu as protein, (which he already eats) and doesnt think there is protein in soy milk? does she actually know what tofu is??? its SOY IDIOT! so she wants me to feed him more cal and fat. she told me to give him yogart. IT IS A ANIMAL PRODUCT DUMBSH!T. and they wonder why kids are obese. holy sh!t. THEN i tell her that i give him flax seed for his brain development. she asked ME what flax seed was. that she had never heard of it. WTF??? i knew about that years ago! and it is fine if you dont know what it is , ,,,, but NOT fine if you are a DR giving nutrition advice!!!!! i told DH about it and he said F that. he supports me not giving him animal products because he has seen what affect it is having on him. his stomach has been 100% better. I was so upset that i totally forgot to tell her about him being hungary alll the time (like you can never fill him up) and thirsty alllll the time and peeing like crazy (due to drinking) now with this weight thing, i want him checked for diabetes i really do. it is more common in toddlers than people think. even people with lower fat diets will gain if they eat as many carbs as this kid does. so there is no way that he should be losing. and he dumps like 4 huge ones in his diaper everyday, so he is def eating enough. and i am careful to make sure he gets enough calories. so i dont being has a thing to do with his weight loss. he eats ALL The time, beans,tortillas bread, pasta rice, veggies, fruit etc. hes a carboholic. i am just so upset that she is so UNEDUCATED. so she wants ME to gather info that she can give to other parents about it. who are veg or vegan. i am from this day on making a food log of what he eats when and how much. including every cup of water juice or soy milk he drinks. and i will weigh him once a week. sorry for the novel. i have called the nutritionist and should get a call back ina day or so. we;ll see what she says.<br><br><br><br>
I want to apologize for any language or anything that was said that is innappropriate. I am so upset. thank you for listening (or reading) my rant.
 

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Nope, doctors are not nutritionists. Doctors are great if you have a broken bone or an infectious disease, but they're not so hot at actually helping people be healthy (or grow up to be healthy in the case of babies).
 

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i just reread my post and i want to apoligize again for my language. I just cant believe the way they tell you to feed your kids, yet blame the parents when their obese (i know alot is the parents, but still....) or wonder why they are obese???
 

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Whew!<br><br><br><br>
I do sympathize though.<br><br><br><br>
I was told much the same thing by my Pediatrician for each of my children... They stressed and stressed that their weight was low... My teens are now tall, strong, healthy as horses and nowhere near underweight.<br><br><br><br>
Now, there CAN be serious problems with brain and nerve cell development if babies and children don't have enough "good" fat in their diets, but in the form of YELLOW CHEESE and BUTTER? Sheesh! As you've discovered, Doctor's do NOT know much about nutrition.<br><br><br><br>
Find a veggie-friendly Doctor. Now. It's actually easier than you might think. Many will say whether they 'support' vegetarian parenting if you simply call and ask the office staff.<br><br><br><br>
For starters, you can look for a graduate of Loma Linda Medical School (a Seventh-Day Adventist institution - while not all graduates are of the Seventh-day Adventist faith, they are all required to take a variety of classes in nutrition - INCLUDING several classes on vegetarianism and veganism) also some Jewish Physicians that I've known have been VRY supportive of veganism.<br><br><br><br>
Anyway - it sounds like you're on the right track, but don't forget, a vegan diet relies on larger amounts of food sometimes, to get adequate amounts of some nutrients - and sometimes babies do get "full' before they have consumed enough calories, fat, or certain vitimins...<br><br>
Please, be sure that your baby is getting enough fats and you'll be able to rest easier AND be able to defend your choices to those you come in contact with... - avacado is good, flax-oil is an extremely good idea, tofu, soy yogurt, coconut milk added to cereals or mixed with rice, and if you don't want to use butter on your child's veggies (ugh! can't blame you!!) there's several vegan margerines you could add to toast, rice, pasta, potatoes or other dishes as well...<br><br><br><br>
Good luck and congrats on the healthy choices you've made.
 

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I was going to say what tofu and sprouts just said....LOL.....good luck and hang in there, you will find the right doc. they do exist!
 

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Yikes, sorry you have such a dumby for a doctor!<br><br><br><br>
I had a problem with my pediatrician when I told her we were veggie. She asked me why? Not any meat? What about free-range? (as if that's somehow different)<br><br><br><br>
My older daughter who will be two on Wednesday is very thin, but very healthy. She is 35 1/2 inches tall and weighs just under 25 pounds.<br><br><br><br>
I would suggest finding a new doctor.
 

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thank you all for the support. i was in tears thinking i was a bad mom or something. he does eat a oatmeal that is wheat, barley, soy and milled flaxseed. he loves it and it is sooo good for him<br><br><br><br>
so i guess im doing ok right? on fats? avacado, soy products, (including tofu) flax seed (it doesnt have to be the oil, it can be milled right?) and vegan margarine? that sound right?<br><br><br><br>
we use a really good vegan margarine that has flax oil in it.<br><br>
sound ok? any other ideas that i can use?<br><br><br><br><br><br>
we belong to kaiser permanente (dont know if you all are familar with them) so basically were limited on where we can go for healthcare. they are a medical group that has their own insurance. we can only go to kaiser facilities. and only go to kaiser docs.<br><br><br><br>
thanks again. i knew if anyone would understand and be able to give me advice it would be here. (hug) to you all. i feel so much better about my choices. later in life he will thank me for the path i started him down! i know i wish my parents would have raised me vegan.
 

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that i totally forgot to tell her about him being hungary alll the time (like you can never fill him up) and thirsty alllll the time and peeing like crazy (due to drinking) now with this weight thing, i want him checked for diabetes i really do. QUOTE]<br><br><br><br>
HAVE HIM CHECKED ASAP!!!! My 7 year old became diabetic at the age of 2.<br><br>
If it is diabetes, he can go downhill VERY quickly. My daughter almost went into a coma before the idiot doctors agreed to test her. If you have any friends or family members who have diabetes, you can borrow a meter and test him yourself. The extreme hunger can also be a symptom (polyphagia). My daughter was eating sticks of butter before her diagnosis. Get him tested, and please let me know the results.
 

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If she wants you to gather information, then call yourself a "consultant" and collect a fee. If she gets paied everytime she is in the same room as you are, so should you.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":hug:"><br><br><br><br>
I don't have any kids (human), but I sympathize.<br><br><br><br>
If you are stuck with this doctor, then the best defense is to do what she suggested and get as well educated as possible. If she knows squat about nutrition, then I'm afraid you're going to have to be the one to educate her. Clearly you already know more than she does about vegan nutrition. And INSIST to her that you want your child tested for diabetes.<br><br><br><br>
Good luck! I'm pulling for you and your son!
 

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<b><i>I was so upset that i totally forgot to tell her about him being hungary alll the time (like you can never fill him up) and thirsty alllll the time and peeing like crazy (due to drinking) now with this weight thing, i want him checked for diabetes i really do.</i></b><br><br><br><br>
i was scanning your post and missed this before, YES you need to get him tested asap. those are the classic signs of diabetes, excessive hunger, thirst , urination, and weight loss.<br><br><br><br>
also the fat thing, this is the critical time for babies and brain nerve development, the vegan margarine is good, avacado, i would use flax oil as well, they really need a high (good) fat diet the first two years, the tofu and soy products dont really have much fat to add.<br><br>
good luck , let us know how it goes.
 

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We used Kaiser when my son was a baby. At his 9 month appointment the doctor told me that he hadnt grown at all and had lost some weight since his last appointment. I was in tears worrying about him the next few days. They ran blood and urine tests and took Xrays of his hands. When we went in for a follow up 2 weeks later, he had grown significantly and had gained some weight (sorry I dont remember the exact amount, it's been 15 years). What most likely happened was that he had wiggled and moved the sheet that they were using to measure him on and made a mistake with the weight. They ran all the tests and stressed me out for no reason. My mom had told me not to worry because she said that she could see that he had grown. It's possible that there was some sort of mistake in your case as well.
 

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Wow, that is a tough situation. I can empathize with you, though I don;t have children yet. I will prepare myself for these same type of situations when I haev children. It is so scary that Dr's really just don't know anything about nutrition. It seems you are a great parent and that perhaps your Dr needs some nutrition 101. You know what is best for your child not the Dr. It takes courage to do what you are doing, I bet you get a lot of slack from other places as well. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
 

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We used Kaiser when my son was a baby. At his 9 month appointment the doctor told me that he hadnt grown at all and had lost some weight since his last appointment. I was in tears worrying about him the next few days. They ran blood and urine tests and took Xrays of his hands. When we went in for a follow up 2 weeks later, he had grown significantly and had gained some weight (sorry I dont remember the exact amount, it's been 15 years). What most likely happened was that he had wiggled and moved the sheet that they were using to measure him on and made a mistake with the weight. They ran all the tests and stressed me out for no reason. My mom had told me not to worry because she said that she could see that he had grown. It's possible that there was some sort of mistake in your case as well.</div>
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I thought that they had made a mistake so I did make the doc measure and weigh him again. no mistake. i was surprised to hear he lost weight. he has the roundest cutest little tummy that sticks way out. lol. i have changed his doc and plan on making a "get to know you " appt soon so that i can talk to her about the eating habits. she is a very young doc, so i am hoping that she will be more "open" i have found with my docs the younger they were the more "open" they were to diffrent things. but they said i can change docs as much as i would like, so i will keep chaning till i find the perfect doc for my son. I appreciate all your support. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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We use a homeopathic pediatrician who is all for "healthy" food, organic, lots of veggies, but also lots of fish, she could live with no red meat but advised me to feed my kid chicken and fish so my attitude (since I really like and trust this doc for the remainder) has been simply nodding and not starting big discussions about food or diet. I have found very little support of a totally vegetarian or vegan lifetsyle in the medical profession here and I never even mentioned it to my ob/gyn when I was preggo. I figured I know more about nutrition than he does... LOL ! Many of us have this "missionary" attitude where we feel the urge to educate our fellow humans about nutrition and what we believe to be right, but the fact is, most people simply hold on to THEIR preconceived ideas anyway. I avoid frustration, most of the time, and stick to the essentials. Esp. with my kid, all I want to know is if she's developing correctly. All the other comments or advice I receive will be sorted & sifted for what I consider useful. It's the "I know best" attitude without the confrontational aspect I guess.<br><br><br><br>
Do please get your child checked for diabetes though, this sounds serious. If the diagnosis is indeed diabetes it would be auto-immune, right ? In that case, I would advise alternative (energy healing) therapies to help - if you can afford it.<br><br><br><br>
You are right besides this to search for a doc you feel at ease with and whom you feel accepted by. It is very important to find healthcare providers who are on the same wavelength, more or less.
 

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Do please get your child checked for diabetes though, this sounds serious. If the diagnosis is indeed diabetes it would be auto-immune, right ? In that case, I would advise alternative (energy healing) therapies to help - if you can afford it.<br><br><br></div>
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Insulin first-it is critical to get on insulin before the child slips into a coma and dies.<br><br>
Diabetes is in the family of autoimmune diseases. All the diabetic children I know have parents and other close relatives who suffer from other autoimmune diseases (Lupus, etc.). Now researchers have found that people with Lupus lack a particular gene that stops the immune system from attacking the rest of the body. This is likely true for other autoimmune diseases as well. In diabetes, the immune system only attacks the insulin-producing cells of the pancreas, then stops.
 

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they defintley do not think that it is diabetes. so i feel better about that. I did get to talk to the nutritionist today. she was VERY helpful! I know that he will not lose anymore weight!
 

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What did the nutritionist advise ? I'm very curious !<br><br><br><br>
My kid is the worst eater ever, you seem to be able to give yours lots of stuff mine never wanted (avocado, oat cereal, ...) but my daughter is right there on the charts for height & weight, although I suspect my nursing her till she was 26 m.o. has (had ?) something to do with that... so I actually would expect your child to be growing better than mine ever did.
 

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What did the nutritionist advise ? I'm very curious !<br><br><br><br>
My kid is the worst eater ever, you seem to be able to give yours lots of stuff mine never wanted (avocado, oat cereal, ...) but my daughter is right there on the charts for height & weight, although I suspect my nursing her till she was 26 m.o. has (had ?) something to do with that... so I actually would expect your child to be growing better than mine ever did.
 

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she told me to add a little more oils to his food. i wont let him eat peanutbutter or anything yet, but i'll make him a tofu scramble with a bit of oil and stuff like that. and more soy milk.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
so i took him to the urgent care yesterday for something else and HIS new doc that I just changed him to happened to be doing the saturday clinic. (now how often does that happen? lol) so we were happy we got to meet her. i asked her if she was supportive of vegan lifestyles. she goes "well, im a vegetarian." oh, hell yes!!! and she says her brother is vegan so she totally understands! she also said that she is the only veg doctor there, so it was totally like luck of the draw when i picked her. (i was going to change if i didnt like her) so i told her what his last doc said, she went on the computer and checked his growth chart (everything is on comp there now) and said that he has gained 4oz since sept 11th at his last appt! she said that she didnt see a problem. i swear i almost hugged her. i told her what the nutritionist said and she totally agreed with everything i was told and agreed that his last doc should have referred me if she wasnt knowledgeable. THEN i get a call 10 mins later from her asking me to make an appt in nov for a weight check. just to make sure he is doing well. NOW, WTF didnt his last doc do that? she was so "concerned" but never tried to hook us up with someone to help us OR suggest a weight check appt. and this new doc says that he is fine, but wants one "just to be sure" i think i found a winner!! i feel so much better and secure with this doctor!
 
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