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There is a short clip and images available at the link below if anyone is interested or looking for material:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.gio.f2o.org/slaughter" target="_blank">http://www.gio.f2o.org/slaughter</a><br><br><br><br>
While it's still recent.
 

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Is anyone really interested in seeing current material of this nature?<br><br><br><br>
I would appreciate any feedback on it. I've been wanting to do more if possible but i'm not sure if it would really help anything.<br><br>
 

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Not really. When I see something like this it hits me very hard and stays with me for days and days. I end up crying and praying and being mad and feeling hopeless. I can't bear it so I stay away from things like this. I know it goes on and occasionally run into a picture or something in my research that disturbs me, but if I know it's there I avoid it. I really don't have the emotional strength to watch it. This is just my opinion on a personal level; others here though may feel differently of course.
 

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I find these things useful for advocacy sites. When I was thinking about going veg I would seek out things like this to motivate me to not eat meat. Now it's not a problem, plus I've seen it all.<br><br><br><br>
But yes, it's useful, to someone has a use for it.
 

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I don't really get it- yes cattle and sheep are killed so we can eat them. Yes, surprisingly cattle and sheep also have blood and it obviously needs to be drained before we can do anything with their carcass.<br><br><br><br>
Be for or against eating animals- I don't care. But don't be all surprised when you see that an animal actually has to be cut open and bled for it to get to a dinner plate.
 

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Nothing to 'get', Some may find it helpful.<br><br><br><br>
Expectations?, Assumptions & internal dialouge.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Out of sight, Out of mind.
 

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No one is surprised that animals bleed. What people who are unfamiliar with animal husbandry and killing of mammals may be surprised at, is how repellant it looks, and how long the animal makes escape-directed muscle-movements, while bleeding, before it finally dies (over a minute, the steer in this film didn't die "instantly" as some people would like to think). In real life, and documentry movies, animals don't die the way people die in story-telling movies.<br><br><br><br>
VP writes: "Yes, surprisingly cattle and sheep also have blood and it obviously needs to be drained before we can do anything with their carcass. "<br><br><br><br>
Not so. The blood does not need to be drained for us to use their carcases. The reason that slaughterers drain blood, rapidly, from a cut to the neck, is that this provides the most rapid exsanguination; and rapid exsanguination is the quickest way to kill an animal -- even tho it appears to me that the animal exhibited escape-directed muscle movements for about a minute. (The most humane way to kill an animal, without making it inedible, according to veterinarians who study the subject and hold symposiums on the subject, is <i>stun and exsanguinate</i>). In the US (this film is from New Zealand), cattle are generally knocked on the head to stun them, before being exsanguinated. An exception is Kosher slaughter, which proceeds very much as we see in this film. We did not see any stunning here.<br><br><br><br>
Not that I necessarily think it is more humane to stun the animal first. There is really no way for the veterinarians to know for sure, is there?<br><br><br><br>
Films such as this should be shown to small children. Adults usually already have a pretty good idea where animal-origin food comes from. It should be presented without drama, and without background music intended to suggest how one should feel about what is going on in in video track!<br><br><br><br>
Also, a nice smell-track would be educational, as well as an documenting audio track.<br><br><br><br>
After we show movies such as this to 4 year old children, we should not tell them, "now remember, don't eat meat." We should simply tell them, blandly, that this is how the beef on your plate, arrives there. We should avoid exaggeration, or histrionics. Just give children bland facts. And hug them.<br><br><br><br>
Yes, butchering and packaging is made easy if the animal is first exsanguinated. But ahead-of-use butchering is not entirely necessary. We can do things with their carcasses, without exsanguinating the animal first. For example, we could ship live animals right to the place where people eat them, stun them minutes before eating them, crack open their skulls and remove their brains, and just have the family sit in a circle around the just-de-brained but un-exsanguinated animal, and dig in. This would certainly be more natural than cutting 100's of animals up in ways determined by culture and custom, all exactly the same way, and storing like pieces with like pieces: hearts with hearts, livers with livers, thighs with thighs, ribs with ribs, etcetera.
 

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I wanna puke.... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/spew.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":spew:">
 

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MsRuthieB writes: "I wanna puke."<br><br><br><br>
Yep. When people ask me why I am a vegan, I tell them that I find animal-origin food esthetically repellant (makes me an <b>esthetic</b> vegan). To wit: The process of obtaining plant-origin food is gustatorally stimulating. The process of obtaining animal-origin food is <b>dis</b>gusting.<br><br><br><br>
In all things in life, I like to think of the process and the product together, rather than divorce the product from the process.<br><br><br><br>
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by soilman</i><br><br><b>In all things in life, I like to think of the process and the product together, rather than divorce the product from the process.</b></div>
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I agree. A major part of the experience (relating to myself) is the process. For instance, I so much enjoy pies made from Amish country (home made) than ones purchased in the grocery store. Or a hand made quilt compared to a store bought bed spread. I know it doesn't compare to killing animals, but I can't enjoy eating them knowing that they live so horribly and died so painfully.
 

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The chicken proces:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.wvandermeer.nl/en/slachtproces.htm" target="_blank">http://www.wvandermeer.nl/en/slachtproces.htm</a><br><br><br><br><br><br>
It's the site from the slaughterhouse themselves.
 

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I wanna puke.... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/spew.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":spew:"></div>
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me too. In my opinion it is so disgusting. I can't sleep when I think about it. It makes me so mad. How many animals are killed each year?
 

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all i can say is ignorance is not bliss. it took me a while to have to courage to look at things like this.... i guess i have a real connection with all things alive even those darn cockroaches and slugs... i am not angry, just really sad. sad that our society is SO de-sensitised.. there is very little compassion for animals.... no love. i never push the reasons why i'm vegan to anyone.. i just let people know the reason why i am if they are interested. i guess i was fortunate to say I naturally made the connection with animals and meat.<br><br>
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I'd find useful high-res, high-quality footage from inside U.S. agribusiness facilities of all types, with the logos of the companies and so forth, and dates to assure viewers that the footage is all very recent, so that it can't be argued that these are old practices, at least not as easily.
 

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Slaughterhouse images are helpful and useful. But I find images and documentation of living [barely] warehoused farmed animals more powerful for educational purposes because they present such an irrefutable contradiction to the industry's "welfare" propaganda. BTW, does anyone else find it offensive that one of the Google AR/AW banner ads at the bottom of this forum contains a link to UEP's "Animal Care Certified" site? I do and I let Google know why.
 

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Here's some images i found disturbing for those that are interested:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.animalsvoice.com/PAGES/archive/food.html" target="_blank">http://www.animalsvoice.com/PAGES/archive/food.html</a><br><br><br><br>
Farm animals, cats, dogs, horses, you name it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sick.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":sick:">
 
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