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Something ALL VEGANS SHOULD KNOW... If you're vegan and you have shingles there is a huge possibility that IS your diet that's behind it. This does <i>not</i> mean that you should stop eating a vegan diet. It's quite possible to do so as long as you understand the Lysine/Arginine balance.<br><br>
My son, when he was 23, got a case of shingles which I, like many others, thought was unusual because of his young age. However, If you have ever had chicken pox (he had) you have the potential for getting shingles and many of the foods in a vegan diet just happen to be higher in Arginine than Lysine, the imbalance of which creates the perfect environment for that dormant chicken-pox virus to re-erupt as shingles. (The virus needs high Arginine in order to proliferate)<br><br>
Lysine and Arginine are both important amino acids that we all need. However, they need to be consumed in somewhat of a balanced way (no need to get obsessive about the perfect balance). At the time my son got shingles he was practically living on rice and beans, nuts and seeds. This diet brought his Arginine level way up compared to his Lysine level. Once we realized this, we just made sure he ate a lot of foods high in lysine for the next couple of weeks (he avoids doctors and medicines like the plague) and he got over it very quickly with no residual effects.<br><br>
There is apparently another easier way to treat/prevent shingles that doesn't involve anti-virals etc....Which is to just take Lysine supplements either when treating shingles, or when you feel you've been eating a lot of foods high in Arginine so that you can balance it out before the imbalance has a chance to cause shingles.<br><br>
BTW, Because chicken-pox, shingles AND the herpes virus are all related, this Lysine/Arginine issue applies to preventing herpes outbreaks and cold sores as well (and unfortunately means that a vegan diet <i>may</i> make it more likely that you might have them, but <i>only if</i> you don't pay some attention to your Lysine/Arginine balance)<br><br>
One last note: Please don't take this to mean that Arginine is bad. It is not. In fact it's a <i>necessary</i> amino acid and you can cause yourself a different set of problems if you get extreme in trying to minimize it. It's only necessary to keep an approximate balance between it and Lysine. When in doubt about your balance, it's supposedly better to err on the side of too much Lysine, but you don't want to eliminate or drastically deprive yourself of Arginine. Does that make sense?... So if you decide to take Lysine supplements when you know you've been eating lots of high Arginine foods, you don't need to worry about over doing it (unless youre getting/taking way more than is recommended)<br><br>
I am vegan as well. I decided to try it as an experiment to see if it was possible to not only eat a vegan diet but to also stay healthy and feeling good. Its been four years now, and with a few issues popping up here and there (such as how to make sure Im getting enough protein every day, etc) , and being determined to really give it my best shot, Im feeling great! Ive found that what works best for me is to just be ever conscious of making sure I get a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">wide variety of different foods</span> (incl. Grains, nuts, seeds, veggies, fruit) rather than eating the same foods every day. This increases the likelihood that Im getting a little of all of the things my body needs to stay healthy. Ive found eating this way also means that Im less likely to get way out of balance with my lysine/arginine without having to over think everything I eat. And if I want to scarf out on rice and beans and nuts and seeds, I just make sure Im also eating lots of apples, beets, pears, etc.<br><br>
Here is a link to a <i>long</i> list of foods along with their Lysine/Arginine ratios. <a href="http://www.sandiegohomeopathy.com/downloads/Lysine_Arginine_Foods.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="color:#0000FF;">http://www.sandiegohomeopathy.com/do...nine_Foods.pdf</span></span></a><br><br>
As you'll notice, this is not a vegan list, but there are many vegan foods on it. As you will also notice, it seems to be written for the herpes outbreak issue rather than shingles, but the same rule applies to both as far as the Lysine/Arginine ratio.<br><br>
If there are any foods you're curious to find the Lysine/Arginine ratios of, and they're not included on this list, you can usually find the information with a quick google search.<br><br><br>
 <br><b>Todays Words of Wisdom:<br></b>Breath properly, stay curious, and eat your beets Tom Robbins <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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I get cold sores. During an outbreak they actually cover my lips.<br><br>
I actually got them more often as a non-vegan. They happened on average about once a year.<br><br>
But, around the same time I went vegan, someone told me about L-lysine supplements. I took one with my multi-vitamin every day, and if I felt that "sandpaper" feeling on my lips I would double up.<br><br>
Then, earlier this year, I just stopped taking them because it had been so long since I had an outbreak. Last week, my lips bricked up with blisters.<br><br>
L-lysine supplements are VERY affordable, and they really do help. Anyone prone to cold sores or and form of the herpes virus should really consider taking L-lysine alongside your regular vitamin.<br><br>
Best part, when you DO get an outbreak, it's not nearly as bad as it could be.
 

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You've already bumped another thread: <a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/showthread.php?114585-Shingles-And-General-Fatigue-crappiness" target="_blank">http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/sh...gue-crappiness</a>, so closing this one.
 
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