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This is a HUGE pet peeve of mine. It seems so hypocritical to use the deaths of one kind of animal (cows, pigs) to support money to protect another kind (dogs, cats).<br><br><br><br>
I recently received an email newsletter from the shelter I adopted my two cats from, stating that they were holding this type of fundraiser. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/bigcry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":cry:"><br><br><br><br>
I just sent them the following letter:<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Hi XXX,<br><br><br><br>
I would like to express my support for the XXX Humane Society. I have two amazing cats, both of which I have adopted from the XXXHS. It is good to see that you are actively fundraising to help keep your wonderful facility open so you can continue to help unwanted animals.<br><br><br><br>
However, I am disappointed in the method you have chosen for a fundraiser. By having a BBQ as a fundrasier, you are essentially raising money to help animals through the deaths of other animals. While I know the protection of farm animals is not your perogative, it seems somewhat hypocritical to cause their deaths in the attempt to prevent the deaths of pet animals.<br><br><br><br>
I personally feel it is important to send the message that all animals are deserving of life, not just the cute and cuddly ones we accept into our homes. I hope that in the future you will consider fundraising methods that do not support the deaths of animals.<br><br><br><br>
Thank you for your time, and keep up the great work!</div>
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I'm interested to see how they respond, if they do at all. The area this shelter is located in has a lot of farming (mostly dairy farms).<br><br><br><br>
I'm sure others have fought this battle before: if you did, what was the reaction of the shelter? Did they think you were nuts, did they try to justify it, or did they see your point and change their practices?
 

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I've never done anything about it except think it was rather hypocritical anytime I've seen it. Let us know if they respond. I'm interested in what they have to say.
 

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I saw an ad for a veterinarian opening up a new office, with a meet-and-greet party, and the ad was about how much they adore and care for animals - and the party was a hot dog/hamburger event.<br><br><br><br>
Your letter was really good. In something like that, I might include a brochure from Vegan Outreach <a href="http://www.whyvegan.com" target="_blank">http://www.whyvegan.com</a> because most people don't know how animals are raised and killed for food.<br><br><br><br>
But a lot of people who care about cats and dogs really DON'T care about other animals, strangely.
 

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My experiences:<br><br><br><br>
#1. A BBQ was being held as a benefit for a local no-kill shelter. I spoke with the director, who was very kind and responsive, and let me know that the BBQ wasn't actually organized by the shelter, but was a community-organized event. A while later, the no-kill shelter organized its own benefit dinner--it was vegetarian and well-attended.<br><br><br><br>
#2. I did a presentation to most of the heads of the local county shelter with materials from Animal Place's Shelter Outreach campaign. <a href="http://www.animalplace.org" target="_blank">www.animalplace.org</a> . The (friendly, non-graphic) materials were well recieved and despite being omnivores, the board members agreed with me that a vegetarian benefit dinner would send a more peaceful message. However, it is my understanding that one particular board member is very resistant to vegetarianism.<br><br>
This summer's outdoor event was majorly meat-laden. The big winter benefit dinner, however, has not been held yet. Apparently I am not the only person pushing for this dinner to be vegetarian. Time will tell.
 

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I don't support "companion animal" companys that support the death of cattle.<br><br><br><br>
Of course most "animal lovers" in the world today are simply "dog/cat" lovers, and could care less about any other animal.
 

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Of course most "animal lovers" in the world today are simply "dog/cat" lovers, and could care less about any other animal.</div>
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Sad but true....
 

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Sad but true....</div>
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Yes it is.<br><br><br><br>
I think it's good to point out to those people that they are supporting the death of some animals to save others (companion). Why do people only care about the cute fuzzy animals they have at home and then could care less about the pigs, cows, chickens and turkeys who get treated horribly and slaughtered everyday. No, we only care about the cute ones. Who are we to say which ones live and which ones are food? Imagine how people would react if their dogs or cats were treated the same way as factory farmed animals...<br><br><br><br>
To the OP: Let us know if you do get a letter back. I would be curious to know what they have to say.
 

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Imagine how people would react if their dogs or cats were treated the same way as factory farmed animals...</div>
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People don't know and they don't want to know.<br><br><br><br>
I was telling my dad about factory farming the other day and he says "I can't really let myself think about that - if I did I wouldn't be able to eat meat".<br><br><br><br>
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People don't know and they don't want to know.<br><br><br><br>
I was telling my dad about factory farming the other day and he says "I can't really let myself think about that - if I did I wouldn't be able to eat meat".<br><br><br><br>
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You are right, people don't want to know. When I first became veg, I got a vegetarian started kit in the mail from PETA. My mom was reading through it and said "I would just rather not know." After reading about factory farming she still wants to eat meat because she doesn't want to think about the horrors of it, just like your dad.<br><br><br><br>
I have had many discussions with my parents about factory farming and love for animals and they will listen to me and sometimes even agree and yet still eat meat. They have shown no desire to give up their meat eating ways. Even knowing how much healthier it is for you.
 

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I think that the problem is that because of cultural conditioning, people don't think of meat as "animals" - it's just food in neat little packages at the grocery store. It also doesn't help that those who set up these sorts of fundraisers aren't usually the 'front line' workers, but just someone who works in an office all day and never works with the animals. But the fact remains that the shelter is benefiting financially from the deaths of animals, and because of the cultural conditioning, nobody really sees how hypocritical it is. I'm hoping that my letter will at least make them think about it, and consider it in the future.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
I can say that due to the area this fundraiser is being held, a vegetarian "BBQ" (or other food event) would not only not go very well, but it would offend a large number of people in the area due to the high number of farming families there. (Not that that is an excuse to have a BBQ, but that's just the reality of it). So they likely wouldn't be able to stand up and say "we're having a vegetarian 'BBQ' for a fundraiser" because for some reason, vegetarianism offends a lot of people (don't even get me started on that one).<br><br><br><br>
It's just too bad they can't find some non-food related fundraisers.<br><br><br><br>
I did not receive a response from them today. I will be sure to update you guys if I do.<br><br><br><br>
And as for Troub's comment: At the time that I adopted my cats, I did not know that they used BBQs for fundraisers (it's not something I thought about at all, actually.. it just struck me as very strange in this most recent newsletter). While I don't expect them to bow to my will simply because I wrote them an email, I will be very annoyed if they just brush off my letter with a "oh well what can you do" type of response (or no response at all). In the future I will know to ask about a shelter's policies prior to adopting an animal (though that won't be for a while as I have as many as I can handle for the moment). But in the absence of a shelter that does not do these sorts of things, I will still adopt from one that does. I'm not going to *not* save a dog or cat's life just to spite the shelter and their policies. Luckily, I am moving to a large city which hopefully will have more farm-animal-friendly policies.
 

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This is a worthwhile topic, for sure.<br><br>
I volunteered at an SPCA "Dog Jog" fundraiser a few years back & they were very into hot dogs, hamburgers & ice cream.<br><br>
At least they did have veggie burgers too, but it made me angry, as others in this thread have expressed, at the hypocrisy.<br><br>
Dogs=good<br><br>
Cows=not worthy of living
 

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Don't confuse animal rights versus humane rights. There is a big difference. Animal Rights individuals (on the whole) feel animals are somewhat equal to humans and should be treated the same. Humane groups tend to recognize humans as being superior and animals may be used for our benefit, but be treated humanely.<br><br><br><br>
Or another way to put it is: Animal Rights - never okay to kill an animal (unless the case of extreme suffering). Humane Group - If you are going to eat that cow, make sure you kill it humanely.<br><br><br><br>
While I disagree with holding a fundraising bbq, it is not hypocritical on their part; it is consistent with their views.
 

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While I disagree with holding a fundraising bbq, it is not hypocritical on their part; it is consistent with their views.</div>
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However their views are inconsistent in themselves- ie. why is a dog or cat worthy of care & love, while cows & chickens are worthy of factory fram torture & abbatoir horrors?<br><br>
And these people think animal rights activists are the crazy ones!!!!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/mad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":mad:">
 

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yeah our local HS has this huge ball every year and the paper always does a write up about all the scrumptious meat they're serving. Even if they were willing to accommodate a vegan meal, I would refuse to go. I don't think that a vegan or vegetarian should be the odd one out at an event of supposed "animal lovers." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"><br><br><br><br>
A friend of mine contacted them to express her displeasure about this, but was blown off and talked down to.
 

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Don't confuse animal rights versus humane rights. There is a big difference. Animal Rights individuals (on the whole) feel animals are somewhat equal to humans and should be treated the same. Humane groups tend to recognize humans as being superior and animals may be used for our benefit, but be treated humanely.<br><br><br><br>
Or another way to put it is: Animal Rights - never okay to kill an animal (unless the case of extreme suffering). Humane Group - If you are going to eat that cow, make sure you kill it humanely.<br><br><br><br>
While I disagree with holding a fundraising bbq, it is not hypocritical on their part; it is consistent with their views.</div>
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So then it would be ok for them to serve dog and cat meat at their BBQ, provided it was killed humanely?
 

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...Or another way to put it is: Animal Rights - never okay to kill an animal (unless the case of extreme suffering). Humane Group - If you are going to eat that cow, make sure you kill it humanely.<br><br><br><br>
While I disagree with holding a fundraising bbq, it is not hypocritical on their part; it is consistent with their views.</div>
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I doubt in this case (or any other case like this I've heard about) that it's even consistent with a meaningful welfarist view ("humane group"). I've never heard of a group going out of its way to get "free range beef" hamburgers and hotdogs not made out of factory farmed pigs. There are people who have the view that you're talking about but they make sure to buy what they *think* is (whether the reality is or not) humanely raised flesh (I don't think they look into the killing though - which generally happens the same as at any other slaugheterhouse). I don't think anyone can eat factory farmed products and say that they're really concerned with animal welfare.
 

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I think they should serve euthanized cats & dogs to the attendees.<br><br>
That might makes them think about where the meat comes from!!
 

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I think they should serve euthanized cats & dogs to the attendees.<br><br>
That might makes them think about where the meat comes from!!</div>
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That would be preferable to killing a cow or pig specifically for the purpose. The dog and/or cat was being put to death anyways. Wouldn't want to waste the good meat.<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/worried.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":worried:">
 
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