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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>barrylove</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
SHOULD OF KEPT HIM UNDER LONGER[/B]!</div>
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<cough> Keeping the guy under longer would have killed him. So we'd have a dead trainer instead of somebody recovering in the hospital. And what would have happened is even more people would have been outraged by the whale's actions and demand that the whale be killed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/no.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":no:">
 

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<cough> Keeping the guy under longer would have killed him. So we'd have a dead trainer instead of somebody recovering in the hospital. And what would have happened is even more people would have been outraged by the whale's actions and demand that the whale be killed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/no.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":no:"></div>
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very true....sorry...<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br>
but it still ticks me off <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Has anyone noticed that even in expressing his frustration at his existence, the whale still let the dude back up in enough time that he didn't drown - twice. That's a generous whale.
 

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I know I'm probably going to be attacked for saying this. . .<br><br><br><br>
I'm not any more supportive of animal shows than the next person, however I can say that there are numerous offenders that should be attacked before SeaWorld. I worked in a show there last summer and saw the conditions of the animals first hand everyday. Animals were never forced to perform when they were unable or didn't want to. Shows are cancelled or delayed instead. Granted, they are not in their natural environment at all (not good) however they are treated extremely well and under 24 hour care.<br><br><br><br>
Again, I'm not supporting the practice of keeping animals in captivity, but as far as entertainment corporations go, SeaWorld is the most animal friendly you'll find.
 

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If this place is as good as it gets in terms of how they deal with the animals, and this whale is still reacting like this, it's a pretty good argument for the idea that no amount of care and good treatment is adequate when whales are kept in such unnatural environments.
 

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Saying the whale was having a bad day is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Whales are NOT HUMAN! - Having a bad day is giving the whale human characteristics and it is A WHALE. It belongs in the ocean and not in a tank performing tricks.<br><br><br><br>
On a strangely positive note. I was listening to Rush Limbaugh this morning (I like to keep up with what the other side is thinking) and he was right on the money about this. (There is a first time for everything. haha. )<br><br>
He was saying whales belong in the ocean and not in a small tank - and that whales have instincts and it is insane to think we can change their nature. I hope all his dittoheads were listening closely.</div>
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This is the first and most likely the last time I will ever say I agree with Rush Limbaugh...
 

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Orcas live with their families for their whole life ie - mothers, daughters, sons stay together in pods. It's any wonder they strike back. How many familial pods are there in any aquarium for any length of time? How many deaths in aquariums because 1st time mothers do not know how to rear their young. In the wild, they would have aunts, grandmothers to show them.<br><br><br><br>
In the wild, Orcas can live into their 70's and 80's and I bet higher. I think I read that not too many orcas make it past mid 20's.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
The similarities between Orcas and Elephants astound me.<br><br><br><br>
Their frustration at being captive must be enormous.<br><br><br><br>
Interesting captive list:<br><br><a href="http://www.orcahome.de/orcastat.htm" target="_blank">http://www.orcahome.de/orcastat.htm</a>
 

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And this:<br><br><a href="http://www.savethewhales.org/captivity.html" target="_blank">http://www.savethewhales.org/captivity.html</a><br><br>
Corky<br><br><br><br>
Corky, Captive at Sea World - San Diego<br><br><br><br>
Corky, a female orca, has lived in captivity longer than any orca. For 38 years, she has been walked on, ridden on and climbed over and has performed foolish tricks in order to obtain food while living at Sea World, San Diego. Corky was captured at the age of four in the waters above Vancouver Island (the “Northern Residents") and taken from her mother and family, the A-5 pod. This would make her age 41.<br><br><br><br>
She has lived longer than any captive orca. Because orca lifespan is cut so short in captivity, aquaria insisted that an orca’s lifespan was only 35 years, not its lifespan in the wild of 70 and beyond.<br><br><br><br>
Originally housed at Marineland near Los Angeles, Corky and her mate Orky were transferred to Sea World, where Orky only lived for 18 months. In a freak accident, Corky was attacked by a female orca named Kandu, who was killed in the assault. Such a bizarre event has never been witnessed in orca history anywhere in the world.<br><br><br><br>
At Sea World, Corky has given birth to seven calves; all of them have died. How different her world of concrete, frozen fish and thousands of gawking people aiming their cameras is from Corky’s true home, the waters off the northern shore of Vancouver Island with her family.<br><br><br><br>
Dr. Paul Spong has been studying orca pods for more than 38 years from his home on Hanson Island, British Columbia, and trying to get Corky returned to her home. Until several years ago, Corky’s mother, A-23, was alive. Paul’s dream was to have a mother and her adult child reunited. He continues to work on his goal of having Corky returned to her family pod. He states:<br><br><br><br><br><br>
What orcas are displaying in these tanks is a caricature<br><br>
of the real orca - almost a shadow - when you consider<br><br>
what the orca is like in the ocean.
 

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The lifespan difference is enough to tell that whales are better off in the wild then captivity.<br><br><br><br>
Didn't a killer whale kill a trainer once during a performance somewhere?.
 

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Rush must be mellowing out a little in his old age. The former Rush probably would have demanded that the whale be killed and her flesh be force-fed to animal lovers. Then he probably would have played a soundtrack of whales being harpooned and laughed with glee.
 

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...On a strangely positive note. I was listening to Rush Limbaugh this morning (I like to keep up with what the other side is thinking) and he was right on the money about this. (There is a first time for everything. haha. )<br><br>
He was saying whales belong in the ocean and not in a small tank - and that whales have instincts and it is insane to think we can change their nature. I hope all his dittoheads were listening closely.</div>
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Even a stopped watch is right twice a day. It was just a matter of time before he accidentally said something intelligent.<br><br><br><br>
It sad to hear about wales in captivity though.
 
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