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<a href="http://www.onegreenplanet.org/foodandhealth/scary-sweets-the-dangers-of-sugar/" target="_blank">http://www.onegreenplanet.org/foodan...gers-of-sugar/</a><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Addiction is the scourge of humanity and there is no more greatly abused substance than sugar. I am sure that wars have been fought and lives have been lost over it, but most important, it is a viable fuel to ignite and hasten disease. A courtroom defense even claimed that Twinkies propelled a crime, and although this may sound absurd there are granules of truth in it. Medical guide books tag sugar as the most lethal, almost illicit, substance. Health-food advocates fogged the issue by claiming that white sugar/sucrose is the bad guy and that other forms of sugar are health-building. This is far from the truth, as decades of research at the Hippocrates Health Institute and other reputable centers have proven time and again. Sugar in any form, be it from honey, agave nectar, maple syrup, corn syrup, xylitol, yacon syrup, evaporated cane juice or crystals, fructose, dried fruit, fresh fruit or its juices, etc., fulfills sugar addictions and fertilizes both physical and emotional disorders. Low glycemic and high glycemic is further propaganda that misleads the public into believing that there are less harmful sugars, but every form of sugar feeds and multiplies viruses, bacteria, yeast, spirochete, parasites, amoebas and cancer.</div>
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Wait... FRUIT? And potatoes, carrots, beets, grains.... Really? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/inquisitive.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":stinkeye:">
 

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Sugars and fruits and tubers! OH MY!
 

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I'm currently completely off of sugar (with very rare exceptions), although I do use xylitol and erythritol (sugar alcohols). I tend to agree with the general sentiment of the article, but I think there's a fair bit of "the sky is falling" about it...
 

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Low-carb bull**** and quackery.
 

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Refined sugar is addictive for some people, myself included. I do best on diets without refined sugar, and if I bake biscuits I make sure I only add very small amounts of sugar to them.<br><br>
This is because the sugars found in vegetables and wholegrains are bound up with fibre, and the body needs to apply enzymes to get the sugars. Whereas with refined sugar, the sugar is presented to the body, and some people's bodies just burn it all up at once and then end up with a blood sugar crash.<br><br>
That article seems stupid though as it is suggesting that nobody can handle refined sugar, whereas some people can and some cant. And it is also saying that tubers are bad, when they are not.<br><br>
Also fresh fruit and vegetables are not a problem for a lot of people as they contain fibre. Though some fruits are better than others for people with blood sugar problems. Fruit juices however are a bad idea for people who have difficulties with sugar.
 

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Sometimes I wonder if some people realize our bodies run entirely on sugar....no matter what you eat, it needs to be converted to glucose to be used for energy...By their logic, our own bodies are addicting us, and killing us.
 

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Many of the fruits we eat today came to be through selective breeding, with the goal being to make them sweeter. Red delicious apples in the wild? I doubt it. A hundred years ago the average person had never even tasted an orange before. Yet today some people believe you absolutely have to eat these things to be healthy, while others believe doing so will summon the insulin fairy to come kill you.<br><br>
That said, though I do believe that severely restricting unnecessary sugars (mainly fructose dense foods) and refined carbs is a good idea in general, I am far from giving up my fruits <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> The research is not BS, but it is not the whole truth either. Even the sweetest fruits (the ones highest in fructose) are nothing compared to a can or two of soda in terms of fructose density. The average person doesn't really have to worry about it. Only those whose bodies have lost the ability to deal with carbs, such as through extreme insulin resistance or diabetes, are in a position where they might have to worry about the sugars in fruits. The rest of us, however, so long as we aren't overdoing the junk food sweets, could probably eat massive amounts of fruit before it would be an issue.<br><br>
And for anyone that is worried about it... I'd suggest going for the fruits that have a higher glucose to fructose ratio, like blueberries (and most other berries), and if you feel the need to cut down on any, avoid the exceptionally high sugar ones like bananas or grapes. But again, for most people this is overkill.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>obankobi</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2945450"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Sometimes I wonder if some people realize our bodies run entirely on sugar....no matter what you eat, it needs to be converted to glucose to be used for energy...By their logic, our own bodies are addicting us, and killing us.</div>
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Exactly! And weren't we primarily fruit eaters at one point?<br><br>
I'm down with refined sugar being bad for you, but fruit?! One of the healthiest things on the planet, packed with vitamins and antioxidants? I find that hard to believe, especially since the tone of the article made it sound as if eating an apple is basically as bad for you as smoking a cigarette <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:">
 

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So, just so I'm clear, is there anything left that I am allowed to eat?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>GoGoGoddess</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2945577"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
So, just so I'm clear, is there anything left that I am allowed to eat?</div>
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Air and distilled water.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Envy</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2945581"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Air and distilled water.</div>
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Wait...I read in the Oreos thread that they use bone char in the water purification process...<br><br>
We're screwed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/bigcry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":cry:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>sequoia</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2945582"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Wait...I read in the Oreos thread that they use bone char in the water purification process...<br><br>
We're screwed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/bigcry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":cry:"></div>
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That's why you distill it yourself. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br>
And only breathe pure oxygen.
 

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Lol... yeah, reading into nutrition too much can certainly make you feel like there is nothing safe to eat. Part of the problem is that almost all of the studies that "prove" these things are done with an agenda, and if you want to have any chance of getting any facts out of it you have to be able to separate the truth from the BS. Really, this is true with any field of study, but given the complexity of maintaining a controlled environment on huge groups of people over sometimes decades at a time, it is very difficult to gather reliable data, and even the unreliable data comes at a steep price... the kind of price that only someone with something to gain from seeing the research go a certain way can afford. Research that is likely to "prove" that fruit is unhealthy will likely catch the interest of the meat industry, while research that is likely to "prove" that the lipid hypotheses is valid will likely catch the interest of the grain industry. Very little of the research out there on any side of the debate is objective, and that alone breaks one of the most important rules of the scientific method.<br><br>
If you really want to confuse yourself, bring up a list of countries by life expectancy. In any given year, Japan is almost always first. This alone puts a kink in the anti-carb debate. They traditionally eat lots of rice and lots of fish. Iceland is usually second or third on the list. Not good news for anyone trying to prove that meat and milk is harmful. But then if you start looking at individual groups, not just entire countries, the 7th Adventists, many of whom consume a grain/fruit/vegetable based vegetarian diet, tend to have much longer lifespans than the rest of the population.<br><br>
The only things that I feel I can label as evil, not to be eaten, are:<br>
1. Excessive sugar (and no, I'm not talking about fruit)<br>
2. Hydrogenated/trans fats<br><br>
I personally consume a MUCH higher amount of fats than most people (intentionally), including saturated fats but excluding trans fats, and a modest amount of fruits, veggies, and coarse grains (barley, oats, etc.), while avoiding excessive sugar and refined flours. I am very healthy on this diet, while many people are very healthy on diets that are completely different.<br><br>
Humans are versatile, and most of the research out there is biased, though not necessarily BS... Nutrition is largely a game of educated guesses and adaptations based on personal experience as you discover what does and doesn't work for you personally.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Envy</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2945584"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
That's why you distill it yourself. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br>
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As silly as it seems, I could easily do a study that "proves" oxygen is harmful. If I were to gather the data of dead people who had been breathing oxygen shortly before death, I would have a very strong correlation to say the least. It is, therefore, obviously the cause. Of course people would call BS on such research simply because we like to think we know better, but we often completely fall for research that is just as silly. Correlation does not necessarily infer causation, yet another important aspect of the scientific process that is often ignored by even the most highly rated researchers.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>nomad888</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2945769"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Correlation does not necessarily infer causation, yet another important aspect of the scientific process that is often ignored by even the most highly rated researchers.</div>
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Really? 'Cause I honestly believed pirates prevented global warming.<br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:piratesVsTemp%28en%29.svg" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:pi...mp%28en%29.svg</a><br><br>
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Many of the fruits we eat today came to be through selective breeding, with the goal being to make them sweeter. Red delicious apples in the wild? I doubt it. A hundred years ago the average person had never even tasted an orange before. Yet today some people believe you absolutely have to eat these things to be healthy, while others believe doing so will summon the insulin fairy to come kill you.<br></div>
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Definitely something to think about. Hm.<br><br>
We could eat/drink nothing, and allow the goddess to sustain us <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prahlad_Jani" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prahlad_Jani</a>
 

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Potatoes ARE lethal! Ever heard of a spud gun?
 

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Xylitol isn't sugar, it's a sugar alcohol.
 

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So, just so I'm clear, is there anything left that I am allowed to eat?</div>
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No, not really, GGG. Let's see now . . . grains are out (Paleo law, gluten etc); beans are out (Paleo law), and soy is especially toxic (thyroid, phytoestrogens); potatoes, eggplant, tomatoes are out (Paleo, toxins, solanum etc); nuts are out (loaded with omega-6, look it up); fruit is out (OMG, fructose will make your liver fall out); meat is out, naturally; dairy is out (growth hormone, satfat, insulin etc); root vegies out out (glucose, toxic principles, cyanogenic glycosides etc); many green vegies are out (toxic principles like glucosinolates in brassicas, thyroid etc).<br><br>
Your dinner for today is ten lettuce leaves (Iceberg, nothing too green), and, well, um, maybe an avocado, although I'd be worried about those protease inhibitors.
 
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