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My uncle, he hunts, he fishes, and he thinks that since salmon is one animal that will die anyway that I should eat it. I told him I would/could never do that, months ago. Hes still at it. every now and then, when we go shoping, when we go out to eat, he'll say I should and can eat salmon. That the fish will die anyway because that is how it is in nature, they spawn, they die, "may as well eat them." I told him that the action of killing an animal(animal abuse imo) is not the only reason I do not eat animals. Anouther reason is that I do not see any difference between animals and humans. I could never make myself eat an animal. it truly disgusts me and makes me feel sick at the thought.<br><br><br><br>
It gets realy annoying. He understands that eating fish is not vegetarian, however he is sure that since salmon are gonna die anyway I may as well get the nutrents. How do I proove to him that I am not going to eat any animals and that includes land animals and water animals.<br><br><br><br>
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Um, all animals "die anyway" at some point, that is a silly argument. I mean, if you were picking up the fish out of a river after they had already spawned he might have a point (although by the end of their spawning cycle they're already starting to decompose), but killing an animal before it has a chance to live out it's natural lifecycle isn't part of a compassionate lifestyle.<br><br><br><br>
You could point out to your uncle that he's going to die at some point too. Perhaps he'll offer to lop off a limb and fry it up for you. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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Salmon are not harvested at the end of their life cycle. They are harvested in the ocean, before they reach the streams to spawn. There are several wild salmon runs that are in critical danger due to overfishing. fewer and fewer salmon return each year.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>WonderRandy</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Salmon are not harvested at the end of their life cycle. They are harvested in the ocean, before they reach the streams to spawn. There are several wild salmon runs that are in critical danger due to overfishing. fewer and fewer salmon return each year.</div>
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my uncle means the few that reach the rivers and streams. He catches his own fish.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Blue Plastic Straw</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><br><br><br>
You could point out to your uncle that he's going to die at some point too. Perhaps he'll offer to lop off a limb and fry it up for you. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"></div>
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LOL that made me laugh so much. I so should say that. but i would get in so much trouble lol.
 

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It is a dumb argument, but reason probably won't make a difference here. I'd just try to ignore him, or politely suggest that he drops it.
 

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Have you told him that you feel sick at the thought of eating it? People tend to understand "I don't like the taste/texture", even if they don't get "I could never eat an animal".
 

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Yeah.... uh ask him he'd eat a cockroach if it had just died naturally.... no no, I'm kidding, that's rude<br><br><br><br>
With family that don't get it, and aren't ever going to get it, I usually laugh and just say, "I love you" and keep eating. It works and reminds me that no matter how many times they say something I consider rude, they don't understand how rude it is and I still love them.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Blue Plastic Straw</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Um, all animals "die anyway" at some point, that is a silly argument. I mean, if you were picking up the fish out of a river after they had already spawned he might have a point (although by the end of their spawning cycle they're already starting to decompose), but killing an animal before it has a chance to live out it's natural lifecycle isn't part of a compassionate lifestyle.<br><br><br><br>
You could point out to your uncle that he's going to die at some point too. Perhaps he'll offer to lop off a limb and fry it up for you. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"></div>
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I'm definitely remembering that for when I have a chance to say it.<br><br><br><br>
To the thread starter, whenever I hear the 'Why don't you eat fish, it's not meat' argument, I just reply with, "I don't want to, because I consider it meat. And that's that". There's no point in arguing, because they're going to assume their opinion is the only one that matters. So by giving them the, "You're not going to change my mind" tone, hopefully it'll shut them up.
 

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#68 Fish are dumb like insects; what's wrong with fishing?<br><br>
Fish are not "dumb" except in the sense that they are unable to speak. They have a complex nervous system based around a brain and spinal cord similar to other vertebrates. They are not as intelligent as humans in terms of functioning in our social and physical environment, but they are very successful and effective in their own environment. Behavioral studies indicate that they exhibit complex forms of learning, such as operant conditioning, serial reversal learning, probability learning, and avoidance learning. Many authorities doubt that there is a significant qualitative difference between learning in fishes and that in rats.<br><br>
Many people who fish talk about the challenge of fishing, and the contest between themselves and the fish (on a one-to-one basis, not in relation to trawling or other net fishing). This implies an awareness and intelligence in the hunted of a level at least sufficient to challenge the hunter.<br><br>
The death inflicted by fishing--a slow asphyxiation either in a net or after an extended period fighting against a barbed hook wedged somewhere in their head--is painful and distressing to a sentient animal. Those that doubt that fish feel pain must explain why it is that their brains contain endogenous opiates and receptors for them; these are accepted as mechanisms for the attenuation of pain in other vertebrates. --JK<br><br>
Some people believe that it is OK to catch fish as long as they are returned to the water. But, when you think about it, it's as if one is playing with the fish. Also, handling the fish wipes off an important disease-fighting coating on their scales. The hook can be swallowed, leading to serious complications, and even if it isn't, pulling it out of their mouth leaves a lesion that is open to infection. --JSD<br><br>
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You could point out to your uncle that he's going to die at some point too. Perhaps he'll offer to lop off a limb and fry it up for you. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"></div>
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