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What do vegans think of vegetarians? I've been discussing it over on my blog [<a href="http:" target="_blank">www.bornveggie.blogspot.com]</a>. Well, what do you reckon? Are vegetarians soppy half-wits, or are vegans just mean spirited intellectuals?
 

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Well someone posed the same question on these boards a few months ago, and there were lots of replies from veggie-hating vegans, I can tell you. It's rife.
 

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Bah. There are no veggie-hating vegans. It's an illusion made possible by the complexities of internet communication.
 

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I hate 99.99% of everything.*<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:xx-small;">*Former statistic may have a .01% margin of error.</span>
 

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I think it's really an omni plot. Divide and conquer, you know. Get the vegetarians and vegans hatin' on each other, and we won't have time to be hatin' the purveyors of fast food, the cattlemen, the animal slaughterers, the labs that do animal testing, the agricultural industry, etc.
 

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Vegetarians are humans too!
 

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There is a t-shirt that reads "VEG<span style="text-decoration:underline;">ETARI</span>AN" with the underlined letters being cut out, with a picture of some scissors and the words "cut the crap"<br><br><br><br>
I don't think that these t-shirts are in good spirit.
 

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I used to jokingly criticize vegans but this one chick didn't pick up on the fact that I'm vegetarian so she got all defensive and it really set my game back with her so the moral of the story is to play nice or you'll get no play.<br><br><br><br>
a veg*n house divided cannot stand
 

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A fellow vegan I know once said "Vegetarians grow up to be vegans" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
Personally, I love them. And I can't criticise them, I was vegetarian for ten years before I became vegan.
 

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What's the point of hating each other?<br><br>
Vegetarians and vegans have similar goals, wether that be improving health, the environment, animal rights, etc. We can accomplish a lot more by supporting each other, rather than putting each other down with the whole "i'm veggier than thou" schtick.<br><br><br><br>
I can certainly understand vegans who are frustrated by vegetarians who seem to be missing a large part of the picture, but empathy and support as well as education, in a non confrontational manner will do much more good than name calling or condesencion.<br><br><br><br>
When I first became a vegatarian, I though vegans were nuts and that I could never live like that. Now I eat a vegan diet 95% of the time, and try to choose animal free products in other facets of my life as well. The reason my opinion on veganism changed was from level headed, supportive vegans educating me on the reasoning behind their choices.
 

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We're all on the same team, people! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sunny.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":sunny:">
 

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OK, as no one seems to be reading my take on all this on my blog, I'll reproduce it here:<br><br><br><br>
I may be quite new to all this, but I’m beginning to notice that in the blogosphere there is a distinct divide between vegetarians and vegans. Now, I’ve always considered them, us, as nearly them same, kindred spirits, birds of a feather. But it seems I may be wrong.<br><br><br><br>
Most of the best blogs I’ve come across have been vegan blogs, I have to admit. And I reckon this is because vegans are more marginalised and more extreme in their views, and hence more conscious of and vocal about their beliefs?<br><br><br><br>
Despite the fact that many vegetarians stopped eating meat because of cruelty to animals (though not me, I was born veggie, remember), in most cases, in my experience, it was largely an emotional response. They just couldn’t face eating the lovely lambs that gambolled so gaily in the fields, that kind of thing. Many vegetarians also say they never really liked the taste of meat.<br><br><br><br>
But vegans, well, they usually begin their explanation with: “The more I found out about …” This is only my experience, but it seems veganism is more of an intellectual response. I mean, eating honey isn’t so obviously “wrong”, emotionally, in the same way as meat is, which is obviously a dead animal that was once living. It is only when you learn how it is produced, and think about it, that you begin to go off it.<br><br><br><br>
I only say all this because I’m trying to understand the distinct sense of antipathy vegans in the blogosphere [is that a word?] have towards vegetarians. And I think it may be because they see us as half-arsed animal lovers, maybe even a bit soft because even though we can't face eating meat, we’re not strong enough to follow the argument through to its conclusion and realise that it’s just as bad to eat other animal products.<br><br><br><br>
But, you see, as a vegetarian, I’m not following an argument. I just don’t like meat and don’t want to eat meat. I have an emotional palate. Is that bad? Are we the New Labour to the vegan’s Socialism, wanting a fairer system, but not willing to completely rewrite the rulebook? Maybe. But I think vegans should realise that the emotional response is important, and while they may be the real embodiment of civilisation I claimed for vegetarians in an earlier post, our hearts are all in the same place. So let’s be friends, hey?
 
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i think there are always gonna be people with strong opinions and beliefs who feel it is appropriate to shove them in your face (vegan or not), but in my book thats not the way to go if you want to make friends and influence people. we've all got potential to do better and/or make more powerful choices, if we are so inclined, but i can't judge whats right for someone else right now, or how far they should take their efforts in the future.<br><br><br><br>
vegetarians are doing what they feel is appropriate, just like vegans are, and its really is up to them what they wanna do, and when and how they choose to go about it- it's none of my [email protected] business if they want to eat eggs, cheese, milk, or honey, etc.<br><br><br><br>
i'll stick my oar in and offer an opinion on their diet if its asked for, but i don't think getting a torrent of abuse and critisicm is something that ever inspired me to make any positive changes within any aspect of my life, so i wouldn't want to do it to someone else.<br><br><br><br>
using abusive behaviour or criticising someone elses choices, generally makes the receiver defensive, offended, and upset- and the instigator look like a self rightious @sshole. if you're acting as an ambassador for veganism (as the only vegan someone knows, for example), you run the risk of marking us all as nutters too (which isn't productive!), so it's something i try and avoid doing with others.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Tesseract</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
We're all on the same team, people! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sunny.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":sunny:"></div>
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Would now be a good time to invite the pescotarians onto our team? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/worried.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":worried:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>kpickell</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Would now be a good time to invite the pescotarians onto our team? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/worried.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":worried:"></div>
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I think that anyone who is consciously working to reduce the harm they do is doing the right thing. I would also embrace someone who decided to start by having one meatless meal a week. We're all on a journey, and you know that old saw about how a journey of a thousand miles begins, blah blah.<br><br><br><br>
But I'm not in charge of who's allowed on the forum.
 

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There are so few of either of us, that we really do need each other to have any sort of influence in the world at large.
 
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