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Ok Dad, and I'll make sure I'm home by midnight.<br><br>
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Sorry, but I think you have totally missed the point. If you aren't fortifying, what you're doing can be compared to running on flat land toward the edge of a cliff. You monitor your safety by looking at your feet and saying, "I'm OK, because I can see the ground." If you are feeding off of your stores alone, you will eventually run out. I get my b12 checked every six months. At first I didn't fortify, and my b12 was great for a long time, then in a period of 6 months between two of the tests my b12 levels went from normal to grossly deficient, and I suffered the consequences.</div>
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I am worried about my 18-year old son who won't take supplemental B12 and eats mostly raw. What consequences? :/
 

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<a href="http://www.southerncross.co.nz/AboutTheGroup/HealthResources/MedicalLibrary/tabid/178/vw/1/ItemID/101/Vitamin-B12-Deficiency.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.southerncross.co.nz/About...eficiency.aspx</a><br>
This website explains it well. B12 is important for the brain and blood. So issues relating to B12 deficiency include anaemia and nerve damage. Might be best to take him to a veg*n friendly doctor or nutritionist and get them to look at his diet and blood work and give him advice accordingly.
 

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I know, he is being stubborn about his diet being good (which it is) and not needing a doctor because he is strong, healthy, and hasn't been sick with anything in years. All true, and I am not concerned about iron or vit D, etc., just the B12. :/ I think I will talk to him about this today.
 

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Vegan Society is a good source: <a href="http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/nutrition/b12.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyl...ition/b12.aspx</a><br><br>
The article discusses store depletion over time.
 

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I know, he is being stubborn about his diet being good (which it is) I am not concerned about iron or vit D, etc., .</div>
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you should really be just as concerned about vit d as b12. D deficiency can reportedly cause all kinds of ailments from minor muscular complaints to depression to cancer.
 

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you should really be just as concerned about vit d as b12.</div>
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you should really be just as concerned about vit d as b12. D deficiency can reportedly cause all kinds of ailments from minor muscular complaints to depression to cancer.</div>
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Oh, I know and am glad the usda for D was raised (though still way too low). I meant I am not concerned about the vitamin D on my son's particular case because we live in Florida, he is fair-skinned, and is outside in the sunshine every day enough to be tanned year-round. And he eats extremely healthily, way better than I do, I just worry about the B- 12 because he's been vegan for about 6 years now.
 

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^^<br><br>
There's a reasonable chance that your son isn't deficient in Vit D with his lifestyle, but put it this way, if a large and increasing number of us Aussies are deficient, and we are one of the sunniest countries on earth, then it's possible Floridians could easily be too.<br><br>
It's better to get a screen for both D and B12 and then you know for absolute certainty whether you should be concerned or not. Otherwise, you are just making assumptions about his health really aren't you, which is risky isn't it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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There's a reasonable chance that your son isn't deficient in Vit D with his lifestyle, but put it this way, if a large and increasing number of us Aussies are deficient, and we are one of the sunniest countries on earth, then it's possible Floridians could easily be too.<br><br>
It's better to get a screen for both D and B12 and then you know for absolute certainty whether you should be concerned or not. Otherwise, you are just making assumptions about his health really aren't you, which is risky isn't it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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I suppose I *could* force a healthy 18-year old vegan boy to go against his strong anti-western medicine bias and get his blood drawn, but I choose not to. He eats better than anyone I know, exercises and meditates daily (black belt), is completely against alcohol, drugs, and smoking, sleeps 8 hours a night, and I cannot remember the last time he even had a sniffle. If he were omni, would it be considered risky behavior on my part not to get his blood drawn to check for nutritional deficiencies? I am concerned about B12 because he has been a vegan for so long, and he cannot get that nutrient from food as a vegan in today's world.<br><br>
My son knows way more about nutrition than I do, and he prefers to do things the natural way. He told me a couple of years ago that he was going to get sun on his skin daily, when practical, for the D. And he does. Showed me an article about the D deficiencies and cancer links then; I'm a nurse and that was the first I had heard it.<br><br>
Having someone jab a needle in his arm because he doesn't eat animals? Nope.<br><br>
He did agree just now to start taking the sublingual B12 again after I showed him this thread. Thank you one and all. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Having someone jab a needle in his arm because he doesn't eat animals? Nope.<br></div>
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The point nishani made that seems to be a bit lost on you, is that a large number of people in australia have low vit d levels and they eat animals, so it isn't about getting a jab in the arm because you <i>don't</i> eat them. It's about doing it because more factors than your diet are involved.<br><br>
i had my vit d taken soon after going vegan and it was drastically low so it was obvious it was like that before i stopped eating animals, probably a few years before.<br><br>
it's the same with b12 from what I understand. About a third of the meat eating population require supplementation.
 

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Sorry, everyone, I guess I am a little touchy on the subject. Also, I didn't realize I was in the Australia section--I was just reading new posts and not paying attention to their topics.<br><br>
And I love rice milk, and want to visit Australia! So sort of on topic...<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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. If he were omni, would it be considered risky behavior on my part not to get his blood drawn to check for nutritional deficiencies?</div>
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If deficiencies in the omni population are commonplace, yes, of course it's risky. To be brutally honest, if you are a nurse, I'm a bit surprised that you take this attitude towards this issue because it's only a straight forward blood test he would be having, not a major op or anything.
 

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at least he's taking the b12.<br><br>
I don't understand the anti western medicine paranoia that seems to be common among vegans in the US.
 

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I don't think that paranoia would last long if he fell over and broke his leg <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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If deficiencies in the omni population are commonplace, yes, of course it's risky. To be brutally honest, if you are a nurse, I'm a bit surprised that you take this attitude towards this issue because it's only a straight forward blood test he would be having, not a major op or anything.</div>
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Lol believe me, I know. My son thinks that since he feels and looks good (lol) with boundless energy, he is fine and will live forever. Since he is a pretty self-sufficient young man, I hesitate to force him. And I would have pressed the B12 issue,but he's supplementig now ,but am not freaking out about the vitamin D.<br><br>
Also, he saw his doctor last year for a physical and wellness check, and no mention was made about checking any vitamin levels. So I assume his doc thinks he is not at risk.
 

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The point nishani made that seems to be a bit lost on you, is that a large number of people in australia have low vit d levels and they eat animals, so it isn't about getting a jab in the arm because you <i>don't</i> eat them. It's about doing it because more factors than your diet are involved.<br><br>
i had my vit d taken soon after going vegan and it was drastically low so it was obvious it was like that before i stopped eating animals, probably a few years before.<br><br>
it's the same with b12 from what I understand. About a third of the meat eating population require supplementation.</div>
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Excuse my post for being unclear; I got the point quite clearly about omnis also being D deficient, yes. Risk factors seem low in my son's case, so I feel rushing him against his will to a clinic to check for something because of my eor
 

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I don't think that paranoia would last long if he fell over and broke his leg <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"></div>
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Yep. "**** what I said about western medicine, just get me a bloody sublichup!" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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I don't think that paranoia would last long if he fell over and broke his leg <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"></div>
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funny foreigners????? who knew. Welkom!
 

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Thanks.<br>
Btw, re the surfie slang, hang onto your cods next time you see her <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 
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