[Girlie]

Check back at <a href="http://www.SHAC7.com" target="_blank">www.SHAC7.com</a> for a comprehensive writing on sentencing and<br><br>
what's next!<br><br><br><br>
The remaining SHAC 7 defendants were sentenced today.<br><br><br><br>
Despite questioning the strength of the government's case against Andy and<br><br>
Darius at the end of trial, the court sentenced them both to prison today.<br><br>
Andrew Stepanian received the maximum sentence of 36 months in prison, and<br><br>
Darius was sentenced to 12 months, 1 day.<br><br>
Both were ordered to pay into the $1,000,001 restitution.<br><br>
Andy must turn himself in to begin his sentence within 15 days, and Darius<br><br>
must turn himself in in 30 days.<br><br><br><br>
More information and how to donate...<a href="http://www.SHAC7.com" target="_blank">www.SHAC7.com</a>

 

[havocjohn]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Girlie</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Check back at <a href="http://www.SHAC7.com" target="_blank">www.SHAC7.com</a> for a comprehensive writing on sentencing and<br><br>
what's next!<br><br><br><br>
The remaining SHAC 7 defendants were sentenced today.<br><br><br><br>
Despite questioning the strength of the government's case against Andy and<br><br>
Darius at the end of trial, the court sentenced them both to prison today.<br><br>
Andrew Stepanian received the maximum sentence of 36 months in prison, and<br><br>
Darius was sentenced to 12 months, 1 day.<br><br>
Both were ordered to pay into the $1,000,001 restitution.<br><br>
Andy must turn himself in to begin his sentence within 15 days, and Darius<br><br>
must turn himself in in 30 days.<br><br><br><br>
More information and how to donate...<a href="http://www.SHAC7.com" target="_blank">www.SHAC7.com</a></div>
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isn't this the group that was posting personal info of family members who were being threatened and harrased?<br><br><br><br>
Personally think they should have gotten more time; and I truly hope they learn all about being someone's girlfriend while there!!

 

[GhostUser]

Heh, donate?

 

[Diana]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>havocjohn</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
and I truly hope they learn all about being someone's girlfriend while there!!</div>
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You are the second person on VB that I notice has fantasies about male rape in prison. You're both more or less on the same level politically speaking. Is there a connection there or is it just a coincidence?<br><br><br><br>
Interesting.

 

[Scythe]

I'm thinking it's less "fantasy" and more "hope and expectation".<br><br><br><br>
It seems that since our worst punishments now are mostly limited to being locked away with everything one needs to survive, people hope for additional suffering of criminals by non-official means.<br><br><br><br>
And come to think of it, I hope they get beaten to a bloody pulp.

 

[meatless]

Hmmmm, it's interesting that HJ's free to wish rape on these animal advocates, and scythe is wishing they be beaten to a bloody pulp, while those who appreciate the irony of a hunting accident get ragged on.<br><br><br><br>
Sometimes I feel like I'm at omniboards instead of veggieboards. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="">

 

[Diana]

Male rape and bloody pulp. Hmmm.... reminds me of Abu Ghraib.<br><br><br><br>
Just waiting now for someone to fantasise about fecal matter (I'm sure SOMEONE will come along) and we will have our own little Fantasy Island Abu Ghraib right here on VB.

 

[Scythe]

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Hmmmm, it's interesting that HJ's free to wish rape on these animal advocates, and scythe is wishing they be beaten to a bloody pulp, while those who appreciate the irony of a hunting accident get ragged on.<br><br><br><br>
Sometimes I feel like I'm at omniboards instead of veggieboards. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=""></div>
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I'd wager the people doing the ragging in those incidents don't much care for rape / beatings either.

 

[Sevenseas]

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Hmmmm, it's interesting that HJ's free to wish rape on these animal advocates, and scythe is wishing they be beaten to a bloody pulp, while those who appreciate the irony of a hunting accident get ragged on.</div>
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Well those comments are still fairly young. I expect we will see that wide ragging on any minute now. *starts counting minutes*

 

[Tame]

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Male rape and bloody pulp. Hmmm.... reminds me of Abu Ghraib.</div>
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Really? can you cite the reports of rape and bloody beatings at Abu Ghraib? Thanks.

 

[berrykat]

<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43783-2004May20_2.htm" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...004May20_2.htm</a> 2 instances of rape sited one of a young boy and one of prisoner object raped and instances of beatings cited not a pleasant article to read. Sorry this is off topic just posting article to answer Tame's ? about Abu gharib

 

[gaya]

For one, I don't understand how any one could wish rape for these guys. Second, I don't see how any of you could condone them giving out info on family members for the purpose of harassment. It's sick on both ends.

 

[kpickell]

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For one, I don't understand how any one could wish rape for these guys. Second, I don't see how any of you could condone them giving out info on family members for the purpose of harassment. It's sick on both ends.</div>
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<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:">

 

[Tame]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>gaya</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
For one, I don't understand how any one could wish rape for these guys. Second, I don't see how any of you could condone them giving out info on family members for the purpose of harassment. It's sick on both ends.</div>
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I don't see where anyone "wished" anything. Just an acknowledgement of what these "heroes" have in store for them.<br><br>
Funny, but threaten to kill someone's children and well, I guess I just have no sympathy for the karma coming there way.

 

[Sevenseas]

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Second, I don't see how any of you could condone them giving out info on family members for the purpose of harassment.</div>
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I don't agree with that either.<br><br><br><br>
I think it's worthwhile to note, though (as I've done before), that if we accept the "ends justify the means" logic of pro-vivisectionists, SHAC tactics seem natural.

 

[Tame]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Sevenseas</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><br>
I think it's worthwhile to note, though (as I've done before), that if we accept the "ends justify the means" logic of pro-vivisectionists, SHAC tactics seem natural.</div>
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Really? Where did anyone say the "ends justify the means" in this thread?

 

[IamJen]

re: "ends justify the means"<br><br><br><br>
SevenSeas didn't say he meant specifically in this thread. I took his comment to mean the general response from the vivisectionist to AR criticism. That is, that the animal suffering is worth it it the end, because it helps humans.

 

[gaya]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Tame</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I don't see where anyone "wished" anything. Just an acknowledgement of what these "heroes" have in store for them.<br><br>
Funny, but threaten to kill someone's children and well, I guess I just have no sympathy for the karma coming there way.</div>
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I'm pretty sure wish is a synonym for hope. I'm not assuming that these guys threatened to kill children either. Maybe it was their intent to have people do so but I'm guessing they just made a foolish mistake without thinking. One of the biggest issues I see with AR folk (from what I've learned here at VB) is a lack of consideration and thought...leaping before you look type thing.

 

[gaya]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Sevenseas</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I don't agree with that either.<br><br><br><br>
I think it's worthwhile to note, though (as I've done before), that if we accept the "ends justify the means" logic of pro-vivisectionists, SHAC tactics seem natural.</div>
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Then they should only bother the actual vivisectionists, not their family. It's insane to punish one human for the behavior of another...to think that's ok qualifies as psycho in my book.

 

[Sevenseas]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>gaya</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Then they should only bother the actual vivisectionists, not their family. It's insane to punish one human for the behavior of another...to think that's ok qualifies as psycho in my book.</div>
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But the end justifying the means has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. What have non-humans to do with the medical problems vivisectors attempt to solve? Why do we punish other species for our problems? If two wrongs make a right, it doesn't matter whether those suffering from it have done anything to deserve it.