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I saw on the news the other night that there's a bill being moved through congress to reinstate the draft.The congressman who sponcered the bill said that the military is made up of a high percentage of the poor and minorities fighting for the rest of us. He wants to start a discussion and find a way to get greater equality.<br><br><br><br>
I'd be a CO but it's kinda redundent because I'm 4F. I don't like being forced to do something and I don't like the idea of dying for a cause I don't believe in. I'm not an absolute pacifist but deplore unnecessary violence.<br><br><br><br>
I'm curious what people's views are both pro and con.
 

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I heard about that draft bill, too. Even though I heard that it's not going to pass, it's still scary. It means we're that much closer to actually having a draft. If they do reimplement the draft, do you think they'll draft women, too? Should I go sign up for CO status? I understand that since I am part of the Mennonite church, I shouldn't have to explain too much about why I am a pacifist/peacemaker. My ex bf is so far from being a CO... one of the reasons it just didn't work. If he went to war and were killed, I certainly would grieve, but not as much as if we had stayed together. On the other hand, I might regret that we didn't stay together and I didn't try harder to change his mind.<br><br><br><br>
I should go do some homework before I get myself into a worry-fit.
 

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On its face, it is a dumb idea, and the administration and the Pentagon oppose it, so it is going nowhere.<br><br><br><br>
A newsreport said the military only needs 5 percent of the potential population pool. So even if you had a draft to which everyone was theoretically subject, it would be coupled with something like the Vietnam-era lottery (under Nixon), where there would be a lottery to determine rank order by birthday, and only <b>n</b> out of 365 would actually be called up for service. When I was 19, they were calling up only the first 100 birthdays out of the 365 in the lottery, and my birthday drew lottery number 355.<br><br><br><br>
If the news report were correct, then they'd be calling up maybe at most the first 19 birthdays, so the other 95 percent of 19 year olds would not be drafted.<br><br><br><br>
It is true that the military nowadays is disproportionately made up of the sons and daughters of the poor and minority groups. That trend seems to have started during the Viet Nam War. It was not so during WWII nor during the Korean War.
 

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I think the draft is ridiculous. Why should they force anyone to go fight for their country? I dont know but i think to most people their LIFE is more important!! Its all the governments fault we are having a war in the first place. They are the ones that cant come to some soryt of an agreement with the other countries. and here we are minding our own buisness and they even think about the draft. Well i think it is wrong.
 

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LC, you do have some very interesting opinions I must say <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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lol thanks! your opinions are interesting too! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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I think the point the Congressman is trying to make is that the military is made up of the poor and minorities and not the rich. If the rich, the other Congressman sons and daughters, were in power they would think twice before sending them off to war. Where as they are not thinking twice now because it is not their son or daughter. Obviously, he doesnt think it's going to pass but he is doing it to bring attention/publicity to it.
 

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The idea of forcing people to fight makes me mad. Maybe I'm just too idealistic, I don't know, but I'm a strong believer in letting people make their own decisions on what to do & what not to do w/their lives. The thought of friends of mine possibly having to go to war & risking their lives really scares me. Unfortunately, I guess there's no such thing as a perfect world.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by skylark</i><br><br><b>If they do reimplement the draft, do you think they'll draft women, too?</b></div>
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I did hear that this would be the case. but it could also gather support against the bill.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Joe</i> " the administration and the Pentagon oppose it, so it is going nowhere." [/B]</div>
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My understandingis the same. I've been told by friends who are or were in the service that it is a fairly commonly held belief among the military that they want people by their side in a fight who WANT to be there, rather than who were forced.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Joe</i> "It is true that the military nowadays is disproportionately made up of the sons and daughters of the poor and minority groups. That trend seems to have started during the Viet Nam War. It was not so during WWII nor during the Korean War." [/B]</div>
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That may have had something to do with the view of Viet Nam War as our help being not wanted by a majority of the people of South Viet Nam and propping up and unpopular government rather than a war against the aggressive and expanding Axis powers or helping an ally repel an invasion from North Korea.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Joe</i><br><br>
A newsreport said the military only needs 5 percent of the potential population pool. So even if you had a draft to which everyone was theoretically subject, it would be coupled with something like the Vietnam-era lottery (under Nixon), where there would be a lottery to determine rank order by birthday, and only n out of 365 would actually be called up for service. When I was 19, they were calling up only the first 100 birthdays out of the 365 in the lottery, and my birthday drew lottery number 355. [/B]</div>
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The question is do those who are born on those numbers drawn want to join or not. If they do more power to them, but if they don't then I don't see why they should have to.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Apple</i> "If the rich, the other Congressman sons and daughters, were in power they would think twice before sending them off to war. Where as they are not thinking twice now because it is not their son or daughter. Obviously, he doesnt think it's going to pass but he is doing it to bring attention/publicity to it." [/B]</div>
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He said that he wanted to create more equality in who is in the armed forces. I think this is a good way to get people to discuss things as long as it isn't using cohersion to get people to joing. You are right it's not but even if a draft was made for almost everyone then would they be able to find ways to keep their sons and daughters safe either in less dangerous branches, say the Coast Guard, or National Guard for their tour of duty? This happened in Viet Nam. Again why force anyone to serve who doesn't want to?.
 

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And Uzbekistan would be a safe place because? Seems to me that Uzbekistan and Afganistan are close on the map, right?
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by skylark</i><br><br><b>And Uzbekistan would be a safe place because? Seems to me that Uzbekistan and Afganistan are close on the map, right?</b></div>
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Sheez...I'm outta touch with my geography...I actually thought she made Uzbekistan up. Here come to find out its and actually place...well what'dya know!
 

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MRB,<br><br>
Some people remember names better than others... I know that Uzbekistan is a country, and I could give you its approximate location on an unmarked globe, but what exactly it borders? Maybe other 'stan' countries? Maybe you are more into numbers or pictures. I KNOW you are into finding info, Net Research Queen!
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by skylark</i><br><br><b>MRB,<br><br>
Some people remember names better than others... I know that Uzbekistan is a country, and I could give you its approximate location on an unmarked globe, but what exactly it borders? Maybe other 'stan' countries? Maybe you are more into numbers or pictures. I KNOW you are into finding info, Net Research Queen!</b></div>
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All I know is Uzbekistan is located North of Afghanistan. To the east or west is Tajikistan, I think.
 

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So yeah, about reinstating the draft. As a preemptive measure, would it be good to sign up for CO status now? Since there isnt a female-inclusive draft now, would they even register me as CO?
 

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I donno. Have stuff ready just in case. I have been laying the groundwork for being a CO since turned 18. Letters from a neighbor and Unitarian church paster. signing petitions online and IRL against war or milirtay strikes. I wouldn't wory about it too much though. It doesn't look like this bill is gonna pass.
 

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The only way they could possibly induce me to serve in the military would be as a medic tending to the needs of soldiers from both sides. Then I would be helping people, not just one side. *sigh* It was nicer when this was all abstract thinking, back in high school.
 
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