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It seems AV is about 10,000 times better than the current system, and how anyone in their right mind would consider voting for the current system, the so-called "first past the post", is beyond me. The Lib dems have sold their political soul to get this referendum. Are you going to let their sacrifice go to waste?<br><br>
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I've not heard of this referendum. What is it? Do you have a link or something?
 

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I am on board.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I'll be voting 'yes'.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Capstan</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2869651"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I've not heard of this referendum. What is it? Do you have a link or something?</div>
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Read all about it: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ferendum,_2011</a>
 

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I'll be voting yes to it. We use AMS for the Scottish Parliament and STV for the European Parliament, good to finally get a fairer system of voting for Westminster (hopefully!). I remember my modern studies teacher was always really excited about electoral reform, 10 years ago she was explaining all the options and i thought it was ridiculous we still used FPTP, can't believe we've been using an unrepresentative system for so long really!
 

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I have a funny feeling not that many will go out to vote though. Up here the Scottish Parliamentary elections are on the same day so most people will probably vote in the referendum if they're at the polling station anyway, but I've not heard it mentioned much and I think a lot of people don't even know it's happening!
 

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I have a funny feeling not that many will go out to vote though. Up here the Scottish Parliamentary elections are on the same day so most people will probably vote in the referendum if they're at the polling station anyway, but I've not heard it mentioned much and I think a lot of people don't even know it's happening!</div>
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There are local council elections here on the same day. They're not happening everywhere but they are in quite a few places. It will be interesting to see how the turnouts compare.
 

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I don't know how I'm going to vote. I don't know if I can bring myself to vote.<br><br>
We do need electoral reform. FPTP is a horrendous system BUT the AV is just as bad. It's terrible.<br><br>
It's hilarious.. Nick Clegg, before the general election said that AV was "a miserable little compromise". The Lib Dems don't actually want AV, they want STV. But the Tories have been clever. They have done it so that the only option for electoral reform is AV, which is horrendously bad and Nick Clegg can't do anything about it because he has to keep his head up Cameron's arse.<br><br>
Here's what's going to happen.<br><br>
If the referendum comes back as No: Tories will say that the public don't want electoral reform and want to stick with FPTP which is brilliant for the Tories because they love FPTP.<br><br>
If the referendum comes back as Yes: the system will switch to AV which will turn into a humongous ****-up. The public will hate it and then the Tories will be able to use it in a campaign that the Lib Dems and Labour wanted AV so if people vote for the Tories then they will get rid of AV and go back to FPTP.<br><br>
Basically, we can't win.<br><br>
What this referendum needs is an option to vote to say that yes, I do want electoral reform but I don't want AV because it's just as bad as FPTP.<br><br>
A lot of the smaller parties (like the Greens for example) are asking their supporters to vote yes as a step toward electoral reform not as a vote for AV.<br><br>
I really do want electoral reform but I don't know if I can bring myself to vote for AV. I feel bad but I don't think I can vote. Both options are equally repugnant to me.<br><br><br>
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Just so you know.. I've done a lot of reading of both sides of the debate, and yes, more than the wikipedia article. I have thought about this a lot.
 

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Read all about it: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ferendum,_2011</a></div>
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Well alrighty then. I'm all for it, and I'm not even British. As a foreigner, can I vote absentee?
 

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I've had a look and yes STV would be better but a 'no' vote to AV looks like a 'yes' to FPTP and not voting at all looks like apathy. It doesn't look like AV will actually do much for the minority parties though.
 

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I've had a look and yes STV would be better but a 'no' vote to AV looks like a 'yes' to FPTP and not voting at all looks like apathy. It doesn't look like AV will actually do much for the minority parties though.</div>
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That's my problem. I know a "no" vote will look like a yes to FPTP, but I can't vote yes for AV because I really, really don't like it. It's like only being given the choice to vote between Labour and the Conservatives. I hate them both and think they're both as bad as each other and I will never, ever vote for either party. EVER.
 

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Well it's probably best not to vote in the referendum at all then. I don't think AV is any worse than FPTP although it is not totally representative I think it is still a bit better and a move in the right direction and I will still vote yes. At least the minority parties (greens and socialists) still have a chance to get into the European Parliament and I'm hopeful for the Scottish Parliament to get back up to 6 or 7 this time round through the second voting system with AMS. (Anyone in Scotland- second vote green!)
 

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That's why I'm not voting. It's not apathy; it's because I can't vote for something I don't agree with. I don't like FPTP or AV so I'm screwed.<br><br>
I love the Greens. Which reminds me... I need to find out who replaced Caroline Lucas as an MEP... I know she couldn't carry on being an MEP whilst running in the general election so I'm wondering who replaced her... Then there's Jean (can't remember her second name) who's the other Green MEP... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thinking.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":think:"><br>
I think google is needed...
 

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Any system which displaces power from me to another individual is intrinsically flawed. I'll be spoiling my ballot. I'd urge anyone else that disagrees with AV but doesn't like FPTP either to do the same, because a spoilt ballot is still counted but makes more of a statement than non turnout.
 

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That's my problem. I know a "no" vote will look like a yes to FPTP, but I can't vote yes for AV because I really, really don't like it. It's like only being given the choice to vote between Labour and the Conservatives. I hate them both and think they're both as bad as each other and I will never, ever vote for either party. EVER.</div>
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I will repeat lucky_charm's question: What is so bad about AV? You said you don't like it, but you didn't explain why.
 

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I had someone knock at the door while I was hanging out my washing in the garden and I have a suspicion it was the BNP. They came round canvassing before and I missed them. I really enjoy insulting people to their faces and feeling no guilt about it and I missed the opportunity.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/bigcry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":cry:"><br><br>
I saw the anti-AV pamphlet today and it was really alarmist.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br>
I got my postal votes so I will be sending them off tomorrow.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 
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