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Today is day five of a diet that includes no meat, eggs, milk.<br><br>
I'm having pretty serious withdrawals. I'm eating enough, I've been counting calories to make sure.. and I feel like I'm perpetually on the verge of having a vision or something.<br><br>
I really feel significantly altered. I noticed my perception of time is changing; one day feels like two. Then it occured to me that these are withdrawal symptoms. I am not unfamiliar with withdrawal symptoms <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/naughty.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":naughty:"> I feel dreamlike, foggy, and irritable. My whole body aches as though I have the flu. Last night I came close to losing it and reluctantly downed a glass of milk. Within thirty minutes I felt calm and sedated, like after a large delicious meal.<br><br>
Am I going crazy or what... I really feel as though my body needs or wants something in meat/dairy that isn't the protein, carbs, and fats. Because I'm getting enough of those.
 

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First of all, congrats on changing your lifestyle!<br><br>
No, you're not crazy. Everything you described happened to me when I cut the crap and went vegan. I hear it's all pretty normal. You just have to power through it. And remember, for most people, the switch to veganism is a gradual one. Very few of us did it overnight.<br><br>
Here are some tips on surviving the first few weeks:<br>
-Drink A LOT of water. It will help keep the cravings down.<br>
-Reward yourself with yummy vegan treats like soy, coconut, or rice milk ice cream.<br>
-Get rid of the stuff you crave! Toss out the milk, cheese, eggs, and meat. Replace them with the mock stuff designed to wean new vegans off dairy, eggs, and meat.<br>
-Don't allow yourself to get really hungry. When you're hungry, you'll eat anything. Keep a snack with you at all times.<br>
-Exercise. It helps.
 

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Thanks for the congrats <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
Does it go away? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> How fast? Is it just one of those things that gets a little better, but, heck, stomach it for the greater good/after a while you hardly notice it? Normally I have pretty decent mental acuity, but I keep stopping mid-sentence unable to use the right word. I've withdrawn from social interaction a bit just to avoid the discomfort.<br><br>
Well thanks for the advice, too. Water is keeping my stomach more relaxed. I'm reluctant to exercise since I feel pretty weak. I'm looking to enroll in college this fall, and brainfog must be avoided at all costs.<br><br>
I live with my family and they eat meat so I can't quite get rid of it heh heh. Taste isn't what's tempting me, you know, i'm satisfied with what I'm eating. These blasted migraines... you know? arhghghg<br><br>
anyway thanks for the encouragement.
 

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Yes, it goes away. I used to have intense meat and cheese cravings, as well as the lack of mental clarity you describe. I'd say the rate at which the cravings and withdrawal symptoms disappear varies from person to person. For me it took about 3 months. You can probably hasten the process by eating mostly whole grains, legumes, fruits, and veggies.<br><br>
I should mention that it is possible to be addicted to dairy, due to casomorphins. Here is a link about it:<br><a href="http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/barnard_food_seduction_print.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/b...tion_print.htm</a><br><br>
I know how it is, I live with my family too. Meat, dairy, and eggs are everywhere.<br><br>
For the brainfog, you might try ginseng. And be sure to take a B-12 supplement.<br><br>
Hang in there, you're already on the right path. And most of the people on the forum are friendly, encouraging, and knowledgeable, so don't hesitate to ask questions <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Everyone's different. Some people experience significant cravings while others just slide into veganism without trouble at all.<br>
I recommend that you find vegans and vegan restaurants so you can surround yourself with good influences. And distract yourself with nonfood things that you love. What kinds of activities do you love doing? Do those. It will keep your mind off this major life change.<br>
Lastly, CONGRATS! You're doing a fantastic thing for yourself, for animals, and for the environment. Thank you.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>vroom</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2873454"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><br><br><br>
I really feel significantly altered. I noticed my perception of time is changing; one day feels like two.</div>
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<div class="quote-block">Am I going crazy or what... I really feel as though my body needs or wants something in meat/dairy that isn't the protein, carbs, and fats. Because I'm getting enough of those</div>
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It seems obvious that you're mistaken about getting enough because if you were, you would be feeling ok. You might need to go to one of those diet sites like fitday that evaluate your intake and make some adjustments.
 

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I'd say give us a run down of what you're eating in a day. I can vouch for the cravings too, but mine was junk like sugars and bad fats, and the DAIRY! It's evil- stay far, far away from it! It will tempt you back in , and you might slip because of your memories of the fat and taste. Try not to give in. Cravings if going cold turkey really only last several days. The reason you felt satiated after drinking the milk is from what sequoia mentioned, plus it could have been your mind playing games too, tricking you into believing you "needed it".
 

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My diet really is fine. I'm eating more now than before I cut the meat out and I take all the right supps. I was pretty much looking for assurances that this hell would eventually end. I've come off habituating drugs(legally prescribed) and the feeling is so similar. Its not as bad today as yesterday. Yesterday I was about to dive into a panic attack so I gave in to the milk. This really must sound like manure to those of you that transitioned with fewer bumps. I'm glad today was better. I'm used to consuming gallons upon gallons per week. I love milk and cheese. I would chug from the jug all day. I've drank copious portions of milk since I can remember. If I have another really bad day I'm likely to start a taper of progessively smaller portions of milk. If I had never stopped I never would have knew....<br><br>
As far as my mind goes, I wouldn't put anything past it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"> Very well may be.
 

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Congratulations on making the right choice. The changes may just be psychologically induced as well, or maybe it really is a slight form of withdrawal. Either way, it will pass. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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My diet really is fine. I'm eating more now than before I cut the meat out and I take all the right supps. I was pretty much looking for assurances that this hell would eventually end. I've come off habituating drugs(legally prescribed) and the feeling is so similar. Its not as bad today as yesterday. Yesterday I was about to dive into a panic attack so I gave in to the milk. This really must sound like manure to those of you that transitioned with fewer bumps. I'm glad today was better. I'm used to consuming gallons upon gallons per week. I love milk and cheese. I would chug from the jug all day. I've drank copious portions of milk since I can remember. If I have another really bad day I'm likely to start a taper of progessively smaller portions of milk. If I had never stopped I never would have knew....<br><br>
As far as my mind goes, I wouldn't put anything past it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"> Very well may be.</div>
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Have you tried almond or soy milks? Or any milk alternatives in general?
 

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Cheese can be addictive, IIRC. Something with caseine and morphine or whatever... Link, anyone? (Obviously I'm not an expert here, but it's been debated before.)
 

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I've tried soy milk, not a big fan, but almond milk is delicious. Tastes like a melted milkshake. I'd like to make my own hemp milk, but I did the math on buying the 5 lb bag at around 50 and the per half gallon price came to about 3.50 without considering sugar and spices. Seems cheaper just to buy the almond milk. I was hoping it might be cheaper to make one's own nut milk but I guess the economies of scale make it not so. I imagine soy milk could be made cheaper if bought in sufficient quantity but I don't like it. Anyone know a way to make it yourself and save?<br><br>
I seem to be doing a little better today. My mental state is lucid but foggy... I feel my attention to detail is sharpened but Im continuously at a loss for words... Things seem clearer, but come more slowly. Probably sounds like I'm complaining but I'm actually just curious... I've never felt like this. My sleep is much deeper and I need less of it, but I don't wake up feeling well rested... and probably won't till i shake off this malaise. I went for a bike ride last night as the nights are cool here and I really enjoyed it... just felt different.
 

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Congratulations! My first few weeks were psychologically pretty intense. My husband and I had a discussion where we both felt like once a person becomes vegan for a period of time, it'd be virtually impossible to go back. I feel.... different.<br><br>
I'm only a month in. I feel like I eat like a pig, I'm constantly snacking it seems like.. yet after a month I've lost almost 20 lbs, without trying. And that's after years of TRYING and being unable to lose weight. But, the cravings are gone. Well... mostly. The smell.... of meat, it's... rancid now. And I was a major, major meat lover. I can't describe it, but I'm confident what you're going through will pass too.
 

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I had spaghetti the other day and felt satisfied unlike I had with any other vegan meal previous to it. That warm fuzzy feeling you get after eating an entire pizza, you know? I think its because its calorie dense. I made up some spicy black bean humus burritoes, they're monstrous and packed with calories. And delicious. My food processor leaves something to be desired so I switched to The Bullet for a better puree. Not as smooth as I hoped its still pretty good. I made "extras" for days to come.
 

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Meat and dairy are full of hormones and antibiotics and a bunch of other nasty **** that you get physically addicted to. It'll pass.
 

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I don't know if it was because I didn't notice it or what, but I went vegetarian overnight a year ago without any ramifications, and then a few months ago I went vegan overnight and I felt fine. I have heard of this happening before, so I don't doubt that withdrawal exist.<br><br>
I did have some craving problems for a bit, the first month of being vegan was terrible for me and for my craving of milk chocolate and cheese. I would buy daiya cheese and put it on everything, and as for chocolate I would make a vegan microwave brownie recipe every other day. I noticed now after 4 months I have stopped doing both of that and that my craving for both have gone away. The other day I ordered a sandwich at a local vegan cafe that had daiya and as much as I liked it, I found that it was suitable for an occasional treat, but I didn't feel the need to buy another bag and put it on every food I eat. It's the same as chocolate, I have an alternative if I do find I want some, but I don't crave it anymore, and if I do eat vegan chocolate, it will be a treat not something I need to have.<br><br>
Meat, eggs and dairy all have enzymes that makes our bodies addicted to it, which is where the withdrawal/cravings come in to play when we stop eating it. Mentioned earlier by another poster, everyone has their own period of time where they go through a withdrawal, and so it's your responsibility to push through it, satisfy cravings with vegan alternatives and wait it out. It came as a surprise to me when I suddenly realized I wasn't craving milk chocolate or cheese anymore, and let me tell you, once you realize you conquered the cravings, you will feel great!
 

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what i did was always have veggie burgers in my fridge. so whenever in the beginning i wanted one, i ate it. soon enough it got better
 

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The past couple of days have been much better. I'm still a little spaced, but the whole body malaise is gone. No withdrawal feelings anymore, just the spaced out feeling. One thing I've noticed is an overall decreased feeling of satiety. I fixed that by going heavier on the olive oil(nothing crazy).<br><br>
I have heard of people being/feeling addicted to chocolate. That's hard for me to grasp, though I believe it. I can never eat much, it tears up my stomach for some reason.<br><br>
As long as I have coffee I crave nothing. I am addicted to coffee and unrepentant <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> I can't drink, coffee is as vice-like as it gets for me.
 

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you have to be really careful about the chocolate. Most contain milk fat, that could be upsetting your stomach too. There are brands out there that don't contain any dairy,and any of the 70% and above cocoa, aslo don't. I'll buy Lindt 70% just to have to munch on.
 

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This is just a general thing related to eating, but if you are having issues, you may try increasing the times per day you eat, unless you're already doing that. I eat 5 meals a day, at specific times and I do not get hungry anymore. While I'm new to veg*nism myself, I had the same withdrawels when I quit fast food and pop. Now, they make me feel sick. You're just putting things in your body that it's not used to, so it will take a little time to adapt.
 
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