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I'm sorry. The "broad" thing is a localized re-establishment of a piece of vernaculer that should not carry any more negative undertones than, say, "dude" or "homey".<br><br><br><br><i>Edited to add: Split from this thread - <a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2921&perpage=30&pagenumber=1" target="_blank">http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/s...0&pagenumber=1</a></i>
 

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i agree with max. i like the term "broad". it implies a certain attitude about a woman; a woman who is bawdy, and not afraid to flaunt her sexuality or show a side of herself that is more "masuline" (whatever that means...lol).<br><br><br><br>
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So a broad is someone who flaunts the fact that she is physically a woman while acting like a man? That definitely would not be me. So it still doesn't apply, Max. :) I'm sure there are plenty of other, perfectly-acceptable words that you can use to describe women.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by skylark</i><br><br><b>I'm sure there are plenty of other, perfectly-acceptable words that you can use to describe women.</b></div>
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Perhaps, but I'm going to stick with what I like.<br><br><br><br>
Besides, do you know why it's considered by anyone to be offensive? Do you know the etymology? All I know is a broad is a woman who can throw a mean punch.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Max Power</i><br><br><b>Perhaps, but I'm going to stick with what I like.<br><br>
Besides, do you know why it's considered by anyone to be offensive? Do you know the etymology? All I know is a broad is a woman who can throw a mean punch.</b></div>
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Do what feels right to you dude I suppose. I guess if broad is defined as a woman who can throw a mean punch than I most definitely am a 'broad' <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"><br><br><br><br>
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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Max Power</i><br><br><b>Besides, do you know why it's considered by anyone to be offensive? Do you know the etymology?</b></div>
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<br><br><br><a href="http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=broad*4+0" target="_blank">http://dictionary.cambridge.org/defi...?key=broad*4+0</a><br><br><br><br>
(from Cambridge Dictionary of American English)<br><br><br><br>
broad (WOMAN)<br><br>
noun [C]<br><br>
RUDE SLANG<br><br>
a woman<br><br><br><br>
I hate that broad.<br><br>
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The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.<br><br><br><br>
broad<br><br>
NOUN:<br><br><br><br><br><br>
... 2. <i>Often Offensive Slang</i> A woman or girl.<br><br><br><br>
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Macquarie Dictionary Book of Slang<br><br><br><br>
broad<br><br><br><br>
noun (Derogatory and offensive) a woman. [from US<br><br>
slang; earlier meaning `prostitute', used by pimps in the<br><br>
sense of `meal-ticket', from broad a ticket, from broads<br><br>
playing cards]
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Joe</i><br><br><b>Macquarie Dictionary Book of Slang</b></div>
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Not an authoritative source, by any means. The etymology is unclear, as is with most slang. It's also tied to the word "bawd" which was the term used to someone who arranged prostituition, and was applicable primarily to men, before the turn of the 20th century. It was recorded in 1914 in a book about street slang as "a woman of lose morals". "Broad" could also have come from the old saying "broad in the beam" - meaning to have wide hips.<br><br><br><br>
I don't know who is authoritative on early street slang, but I'm not really all that concerned about the word "broad" offending anyone. There may be words less offensive to some, but there are many more words that are offensive to all.
 

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Even though I'm not 100% thrilled with the term 'broad', I would get more upset if I heard 'b-tch or c-nt'...them's fightin' words.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Max Power</i><br><br><b>Not an authoritative source, by any means.</b></div>
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Max, you asked the question. Three out of three dictionaries cited labeled the word offensive/rude/derogatory. Feel free to use your own time and do your own research in sources you consider acceptable to you. Also feel free to refer to women as "broads" and take the consequences that are likely to ensue. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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It's all very complicated. I had no idea B*tch was a bad word. Over here it's only rude in the context of implying a girl is unkind & spiteful. Mostly it refers to a female dog, or life being one.<br><br>
C*nt is the rudest word there is, it's taboo, and when I called my husband one in the pub the entire bar went silent with astonishment. I'm so bad.
 

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what all of these definitions fail to do is take into account the power women have to reclaim formerly derrogatory words and make them their own. the power of reclaimation is a wonderful thing.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Max Power</i><br><br><b>Perhaps, but I'm going to stick with what I like.<br><br><br><br>
Besides, do you know why it's considered by anyone to be offensive? Do you know the etymology? All I know is a broad is a woman who can throw a mean punch.</b></div>
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I don't think people decide a word is offensive by what the etymology is. People find words offensive if a)the word is almost always used with an offensive intent b)it is not 100% clear that the person using it in said instance is not using it tongue in cheek/sarcastically, or is not using it to reclaim the power of the word eg- a gay person using the word "queer" to reclaim the power of the word, or some other usage that is 100% clear to others to have a benign intent.<br><br><br><br>
However, we have discovered on these boards that words like "heebie-jeebie" and "xmas" and "xtian" have origins that make it seem clear that these words should not be offensive, but some how, through misunderstandings, people have taken offense to them <i>even though they are usually used with no offensive intent.</i> In this instance, perhaps people in mixed company should just stay clear of these words depending on how popularly the word is believed to be offensive.<br><br><br><br>
Part of effective communication is knowing how people are most likely to interpret what you mean. If you know most people are going to interpret "broad" as offensive, when you mean no offense, why use it? That in and of itself is then rude, to use a word people tell you they don't like just bc you think people shouldn't be offended by it.
 

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thalia, you have a good point. but if someone finds a word offensive <i>because they don't understand what it means</i>, isn't it important to talk about the actual meaning and history of it? isn't it okay to say, "wow, i didn't get that the word means such-and-such, and now i have a new understanding and it isn't actually offensive to me anymore"?<br><br><br><br>
i find that sometimes the power we give other people to weild hurt through their words is often our own fault. we can sit back and let others dictate to us what is offensive and what isn't; for instance, the book "****" by inga musico talks extensively about the actual history and meaning of the word, which was adopted by men as a way of degrading and insulting women, but in fact was a "power word" for woman throughout history. so do we let them keep it as a symbol of their dominance over us? or do we reclaim it is our own, and no longer allow them to weild it as something hateful and vulgar?
 

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Yep. I'm with Kreeli. IN the same way that I believe staying at home with your kids to be the ultimate feminist statement, so do I believe reclaiming those manipulated words as our own, and being proud of our spirit, is our right and our choice, and in our best interests as women. -Not an acceptance of imposed weakness, but ownership of our right to be respected for who we truly are.<br><br><br><br>
It's like: "take back the night" for language.
 

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I use "c*nt" a lot, more than I do the word "b*tch". I use it in reference to myself when I'm feeling particularly empowered. It's my personal "power word" because no other girl I know dares use it. My theory is if you take a word that has been used to offend you (I've been called a c*nt many times by men in my life who verbally abused me) and turn it into something you're proud of (like the gay community's use of "queer") it's no longer hurtful and no one can use it against you.<br><br><br><br>
My guy friends think I'm bad-ass when I say it, too. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Thalia</i><br><br><b>a gay person using the word "queer" to reclaim the power of the word</b></div>
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Marge: Homer, please! You're embarrassing yourself.<br><br><br><br>
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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Kreeli</i><br><br><b>what all of these definitions fail to do is take into account the power women have to reclaim formerly derrogatory words and make them their own. the power of reclaimation is a wonderful thing.</b></div>
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Yeah. My only prob with the words above is that too often I use them <i>against</i> myself in a negative way, or allow the sexual words to make me feel dirty.<br><br><br><br>
(Example: I have been known to call myself a 'stupid ****' fairly frequently, and refer to my nether regions by less than attractive names, which leads me to feel they are less than attractive.)
 

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Do you think 'reclaiming' is what motivates some inner city black youths to call each other '******s'? I had previously assumed that it was a symptom of chronicly low self esteem in the community, and because of that, it was no big deal for them to 'insult' each other. However, I ever called them '******s', there would have been hell to pay. It wasn't that I particularly disliked them; I think it had more to do with the skin color of the speaker.
 
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