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wow I have been eating a raw vegan diet about 95% with some small bites of cooked vegan foods , I had a wheat wrap with veggies, some 75% cark chocolate, potato leek soup (made with vegetable broth, and a small oatmeal cookie in one day, I needed to go shopping and I had not made anything, so I fell off my little raw vegan wagon, and I FELT LIKE I WAS HUNG OVER !!! I may never go back to eating cooked foods, it was like someone drugged me, I did not want to get up in the morning. The next day I ate my raw chia porage, I juiced green foods, and I felt better. Wow it just goes to show you what power food really has on us. I just need to have veggies, fruits, and nuts always on hand and that will never happen again. Oh I forgot head ache too. anyone else ever have this feeling? Please let me know
 

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Yep, cooked foods never give me as much energy and feelings of wellness as raw foods. Hang in there. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> Try to eat gluten-free if you eat cooked foods.
 

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Does this mean that raw food is addictive? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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lol! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/pimp.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":tame:">
 

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yes , maybe it is, its how I feel when I eat it, clean and clear . I did not like the feeling of being hung over and headache , its just not worth it. I juiced today and had a green smoothie, and had a raw vege burger on flax seed crackers. I love all the fresh tastes. Just ordered raw almonds, halzelnuts, and walnuts. My son loves nutella, so I thinck I am going to make a homemade version with raw cacao, agave nectar, and halzelnuts, mix them up in my vita- mix. I just do not like what my kids are eating even though its better than most kids. My 7 year old loves raspberries and eats them by the handful, he has made the choice himself not to eat meat, he eats chicken once in a while, but will refuse to eat meat most of the time. I do not push it on him, I know he gets enough protien through his yogurt, he loves raw veggies too. I have been giving him almond milk and I sneak chia seeds in my baked goods. So far so good, shhhh its our secret. heheheh
 

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I hear you!!<br>
I have eaten a few cooked foods in the last 24 hours - I went for lunch with my boyfriend yesterday, and some of the food was cooked. Then raw all day, tonight we had baked potato and cooked sprouted lentil loaf. Even though it was simple and still pretty healthy food, I felt heavy and bloated and sluggish.<br><br>
This morning when I had my smoothie, it felt like an almost instant pick-me-up, like I felt the energy effects right away!<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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You're right. Eating a mostly raw food diet really does make a big difference. You feel like a different person. I have so much more energy than I remember having growing up and eating normal cooked meals. It's been three years for me and I'm never going back either.
 

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Right now I am going through a poor period where I can only eat the staples that are in my kitchen. Pasta, rice, frozen vegetables. I try to get this stuff when it is on sale, just in case I am low on money. When I eat just cooked food my energy levels are really low and I am really tired all of the time in a weird way. When I eat mostly raw my energy levels are so much better, physically and mentally. Looking forward to going raw again!
 

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Good for you! good luck and have fun with it! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Do you think it's possible to eat a raw diet and take in enough calories though? I work out a ton (lots of cardio and explosive-strength training) and it seems like most raw foods are vegetables, and it's impossible to get enough protein from just raw vegetables. Plus its tough to eat that many calories in raw foods because of your options and the texture/digestion of the food.<br><br>
Any suggestions or advise on what foods you use/substitute?
 

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I do a lot of cardio and strength training and don't have a problem taking in enough calories and protein. It's not impossible to get enough protein from raw vegetables; you are incorrect in that statement.<br>
I eat a lot of sweet fruits and greens.<br>
My caloric intake doubles some cooked food eaters. It's not hard.
 

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I found a great list of Veggies with proteins at <a href="http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm</a> - I'll start using that list as a basis and see what I can start cooking!
 

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I agree it is not impossible to get enough protein from raw veggies. I do think a lot of people are under this assumption. However, since greens have an abundance of readily available essential amino acids, you don't need to eat from the other food groups known for their rich protein content. I feel so much better now that I'm eating atleast 75% raw. I definitely won't go back.
 

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Over the last few days, I have made the decision to go completely raw for the next 21 days. I have been looking at Dr. Gabriel Cousens on You Tube and I am so impressed in his work. He says I can cure my diabetes through a raw food lifestyle and I believe him. I also need to lose quite a bit of weight. I am on high blood pressure meds, cholesterol meds, and diabetes meds and I'm sick of it. I struggle and struggle to get this weight off and I now realize that I have to do something drastic and powerful for my health and my life. I also had triple bypass heart surgery 7 years ago and I would rather not have to go through that again. I recently went vegan and I have been eating a lot of raw since I went vegetarian two years ago, so I am quite familiar with the lifestyle and I'm ready to turn my life around. Raw Gaia Mom, you have been quite an inspiration to me with your health issues and how you have turned things around. I am going to tackle this for the next 21 days and hopefully high raw beyond that. I am waiting for Dr. Cousens book and then I'm diving in. I'm so excited.<br><br>
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Yay Raven!! That's super exciting!!<br><br>
Make sure you follow a good balance on raw. Try to keep the fats and salt nice and low, it is better for your health. I know when I first started eating raw I went all gourmet and everything had cashews and flaxseeds and avocados in it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"> ... now I've gotten it down to a nice balance of fruits, veggies and sprouts, while the nuts and other fats are more of an occasional treat.<br><br>
Let us know if we can help in your 21 day trial!<br><br>
I find Raw Gaia Mom an inspiration too, she's lovely <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Thanks, PJ. Thankfully, I've been following Weight Watchers since the beginning of December (lost 20# so far), so I do write down everything I eat. I will continue this as I do the raw because I have to make sure I do not eat too many fats (as you said). Plus, I like the idea of having to face that scale once a week. I am sure I will be needing your help in my journey. Thanks for the offer. That's why I love VB. I feel like you guys are my family, especially since I don't have anyone in my life who lives as I do. It gets really lonely sometimes. Are you familiar with Dr. Cousens? Is there any raw foodist out there that you like to follow? I also get a kick out of Matt & Angela Monarch, although he can be a little extreme sometimes. I also like Ani Phyo, and I just ordered Mimi Kirks cookbook.<br><br>
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I did weight watchers and was VERY successful with it. I lost a very significant amount of weight that way. It's been years since I followed the plan but I have maintained ALL the weight I lost, and continued to lose more on my own. It really taught me a lot, it was a good tool! I hope you have good luck with it too.<br><br>
I follow Harley & Freelee on 30bananasaday.com (it's a Fruitarian site, may or may not be for you). I also follow meganelizabeth.com, again, Fruitarian. They are both based off of Dr. Doug Graham's "80/10/10" book.<br><br>
I like Ani Phyo and Mimi Kirk, too. I also have a cookbook by Judita Wignall that I love. I haven't heard of Dr.Cousens but I'll check him out <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Yes!<br><br>
Raw foods make it so that we're always detoxing. And the long and short of what that means is that when we put toxins into us we feel terrible right away, and most cooked foods contain some toxin, and even when there is no toxins present the draw upon our metabolic enzymes is tremendous.<br><br>
I have a detailed article about this I'd link, but according to the site rules I don't think I'm allowed to "promote" myself until I've been on the site for at least a month, lol.<br><br>
Oh, here is an idea, I'll copy my article and put it in the post:<br><br>
[Article] Why does a raw vegan who eats junk food get sick? Explained at last!<br>
"He who is drowned is not troubled by the rain." - Chinese Proverb<br><br>
Many people who enter a raw vegan 'lifestyle' find that they can't eat the things they used to without getting sick. For example, they may have eaten fried shrimp each Friday night with pizza and a glass of bottled fruit juice. Now they might find that eating that same meal would leave them rolling in pain and misery.<br><br>
I've heard it said before, "I can eat steak and feel great, but a raw vegan can't, thereby my body is stronger."<br><ul><li>But is this reasoning correct? And:<br></li>
<li>Why does a raw vegan feel sick from steak?</li>
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I'd like to endeavor to answer these two questions.<br><br>
To understand why a raw vegan feels sick from "junk food" but a "regular American" does not, we must examine detoxification.<br><br><b>Detoxification</b><br><br>
In short:<br><br>
Detoxing is when toxins move from the lymph fluids or organs into the bloodstream to be eliminated. This only happens when there is "room" for this to happen as well as "energy" in the body.<br><br>
Why might someone lack the energy to detox?<br><br><b>Digestion</b><br><br>
Most of the energy burned by typical Americans is in the process of digestion. This takes a lot of energy when you eat something like beans.<br><br>
Beans can take over six hours to digest by someone who is reasonably healthy. They take even longer (up to three days!) in someone unhealthy.<br><br>
The problem is that the nutrition of the beans never gets extracted in an unhealthy system. The sum of the extraction is empty calories and fat.<br><br>
The body pulls the fibers apart, the broken cooked proteins apart, and all the while the beans are moving through the digestive tract. What our bodies can't use ends up being a meal for bacteria, such as candida.<br><br>
This exhausting digestive process leaves no energy for detoxification.<br><br>
Meat, dairy and eggs take two to four hours in a healthy digestive system. They can also take days in an unhealthy digestive system.<br><br><b>Enzymes</b><br><br>
The body requires digestive enzymes to digest food, and all enzymes are "destroyed" by cooking. These cooked foods (milk is cooked before being sold) are exhausting to digest.<br><br>
A raw vegan diet is loaded with enzymes because everything is raw. The vegetables and fruits are loaded with everything needed to digest them already.<br><br>
Fruits are the easiest foods to digest when they are eaten alone (but they are nightmare for your stomach when combined with dense food like beans, rice, meat, etc -- more details about food combination are on my page: "Food Pyramid").<br><br>
Fruit can take as little as twenty minutes to digest in a healthy system!<br><br><b>Back To Detoxification</b><br><br>
Your typical American breaths in smoke or smog or paint odor and they feel fine. They're currently working on digesting something. Most Americans are always working on digesting something. So the toxin can not be dealt with. The toxin has to be wrapped in fat by the liver and stored.<br><br>
The moment you eat something cooked or fatty (meat is both cooked and fatty) you stop all detoxing because all the energy goes into digestion. Toxins take minerals and energy to eliminate. The easiest way to handle them is to store them as fat.<br><br>
Raw vegans are always detoxing. They have the energy to always detox.<br><br>
But there is something key to understand about detoxing:<br><br>
What you feel is what is happening in your blood. If the level of glucose in your blood is low, you're tired. Likewise, if the level of toxins in your blood is high, you feel terrible.<br><br>
A whiff of smoke comes into a raw vegan's body and then the toxins enter their blood so they can move through their body and be eliminated. The person then feels sick from smelling the smoke almost instantly.<br><br>
If the toxin is stored as fat, you don't feel it. The smoker does not feel the toxins in the smoke. What they feel are the hormonal reactions. The toxins are wrapped in fat and sent to the organs or fat of the body.<br><br>
If you eat bad food all the time you don't necessarily feel nauseated all the time. You might be consuming toxic substances and feeling pretty decent. This is because most of the toxins are being processed by the liver.<br><br>
When the liver can't handle all the toxins anymore, then you start feeling terrible. Or, when you try to eat a low-fat high-toxin diet. Fat-free yogurt, sugar-free gum, and I-can't-believe-it's-not-butter are a huge recipe for disaster. These items are loaded with toxins with no healthy protective fat for the liver to protect you.<br><br>
What's worse is that animals store toxins in their fat just like we do. When we eat that fat we eat their toxins. It isn't the fat that makes us fat. It is their toxins stored in their fat getting re-stored in our bodies as fat. The fat of an avocado, olive or seed will not make you fat, but the fat of an unhealthy toxin-laden animal will. This is the real reason why some people lose weight by going vegan.<br><br>
But as long as you are getting enough healthy fat, or at least non-toxic fat such as organic olive oil, and your liver is working: you don't feel the toxins you consume.<br><br>
However, if someone who eats a raw vegan diet who is always detoxing ate the same foods, they'd feel terrible. Their detox may be slowed dramatically by eating the unhealthy food, but at least when they begin to eat their body is in detox-mode. This may cause a stomach upset, a headache, muscle cramps, dizziness, and so on.<br><br>
Eventually the bad food stops the detox entirely and they feel a little better. The next day they eat their healthy food again, like a green juice. This green juice begins the detox again and they finish detoxing from the unhealthy meal they ate last night and they feel very sick again in the process.<br><br>
Bottom line: You don't feel it unless you detox it. It just keeps getting stored as fat.<br><br>
This actually is what causes brain tumors. If the body runs out of places to put toxins, it'll put it in your brain.<br><br><b>Weight Loss</b><br><br>
Anything toxic in your life causes weight gain, including stress. Hormones in your body trigger weight gain and weight loss.<br><br><i>putting on fat</i><br><br>
Feeling fearful, angry, jealous, upset, etc, trigger fat gain.<br>
Not sleeping enough causes hormonal imbalances that cause fat gain.<br>
Staying up late at night and missing your "power hours" causes fat gain and "aging."<br>
Never letting your insulin drop by always digesting food triggers fat gain.<br>
Eating anything toxic triggers fat gain, especially aspartame, white sugar, white flour, hydrogenated oils, animal fats and corn syrup.<br><br><i>burning fat and building muscle</i><br><br>
The hormones involved in feeling good trigger fat loss.<br>
Exercising activates hormones for burning fat and building muscle even if you only exercise for a couple of minutes.<br>
Detoxing from heavy metals and other toxins happens simultaneously with fat loss.<br>
Sunlight exposure without burning balances hormones and promotes muscle building.<br>
Foods rich in antioxidants such as blueberries and pomegranates assist in detoxification and thereby assist in fat burning.<br><br>
Losing weight can feel terrible. As you burn fat you are also releasing toxins into the bloodstream.<br><br>
That is why it can be very unhealthy to lose weight too fast. If toxins enter the blood but then they don't make it out of the body, they can get re-deposited in an organ, such as the kidneys. That can be very serious.<br><br>
This is why starving yourself to lose weight is really dangerous. That is burning toxic fat without having the nutrient intake to actually get rid of the toxins.<br><br><br><b>Toxins</b><br><br>
The liver wraps toxins in fat and stores them because it doesn't have the nutrition and vitality to send the toxins out of the body. To send the toxins out the body needs a modicum of hormonal balance, plenty of calcium, iron, magnesium, etc, it needs hydration (which comes from a balance of potassium, sodium and water), as well as enzymes and vitamins.<br><br>
Not everyone who leads a toxic lifestyle is overweight. Toxins may be released by sweating, which can cause adverse skin reactions. With enough water consumption and exercise, many toxins are never really 'absorbed' by the body and pass through in excrement and sweat. A very smelly bowel movement is a sign of consumption of toxins.<br><br>
You may notice that on very stressful days, or days when you breath in a lot of second-hand smoke, or on days where you pig out on a lot of sausages, you have a very unusually smelly bowel movement the next day.<br><br><b>Conclusions</b><br><br>
To have the healthy amount of fat for your body type and lifestyle you must not have exposure to toxins or you must detox from all toxin exposure.<br><br>
A raw vegan feels sick from unhealthy junk foods because they detox immediately or very soon after instead of storing the toxins as fat.<br><br>
A diet must be at least wholly raw for part of each day to detox. Being raw for breakfast and lunch would be enough to detox from breakfast (say around 7:00am) to dinner (say around 6:00pm), getting eleven hours of detoxing time each day (provided that there wasn't much fat involved. Nuts slow detox in small quantities -- like a tablespoons -- and stop detox in high volumes -- like a half measuring cup.)
 
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