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Wow, just got into work for my hotel job for the night, and one of the groups staying here is a 4-H group. I remember those from growing up, and one of their big things was teaching kids how to raise animals for slaughter. And at least 3 out of 4 kids and adults with that group were extremely obese. It's one thing for someone to be a meat-eater, it's quite another for someone to be obese from being a meat-eater, that is, greedy.<br><br>
Just needed to get that out there.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"> @ WG<br><br>
While I do understand what you're saying, this thread might heat up quick.
 

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Wow, just got into work for my hotel job for the night, and one of the groups staying here is a 4-H group. I remember those from growing up, and one of their big things was teaching kids how to raise animals for slaughter. And at least 3 out of 4 kids and adults with that group were extremely obese. It's one thing for someone to be a meat-eater, it's quite another for someone to be obese from being a meat-eater, that is, greedy.<br><br>
Just needed to get that out there.</div>
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Few people become obese specifically from eating animals.<br><br>
There are plenty of obese veg*ns.<br><br>
Greedy? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thinking.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":think:">
 

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Few people become obese specifically from eating animals.<br><br>
There are plenty of obese veg*ns.<br><br>
Greedy? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thinking.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":think:"></div>
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I guess I'm just coming from the point of view that there is a massive obesity epidemic from eating triple cheeseburgers, buckets full of fried chicken, etc. Unfortunately, I also used to work at a BBQ restaurant here too (pre-veg), and many people who were already huge as is would order a full slab of ribs, with a slab being about the same size as 2 pieces of notebook paper. And I do see obese people chowing down on these things frequently around here. Even before I went veg, it bothered me a lot. That and when I'd have to throw meat away because the customer didn't finish it. Seriously, people could save not only the animals' lives by being more mindful, but also their own lives.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>*AHIMSA*</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2879827"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Few people become obese specifically from eating animals.<br><br>
There are plenty of obese veg*ns.<br><br>
Greedy? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thinking.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":think:"></div>
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Agreed.<br><br>
Is it more acceptable, less *greedy* for a skinny person to eat a couple of slabs of ribs? Because I certainly know some slender people who can really pack away food.
 

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Is it more acceptable, less *greedy* for a skinny person to eat a couple of slabs of ribs? Because I certainly know some slender people who can really pack away food.</div>
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Certainly no more acceptable! I didn't mean it like that at all, but then when I saw 4H and massive in the lobby, then judging from my experience working in restaurants it stands to reason that they probably eat at least 2 to 3 times the meat as your average carnivore.<br><br>
Sorry if I sound cranky, living in the South had made me very jaded and cynical in more ways than just this.
 

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While there are certainly exceptions to the rule, veg*ns <i>on average</i> tend to weigh less than meat eaters so I see why Mia might feel the way she does. There are plenty of people that experience positive weight loss due to veg*nism (or the opposite like me - gaining and being able to keep a healthier, stable weight). Of course, there's nothing wrong with being an overweight veg*n though or a veg*n that can/likes to eat a lot.
 

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While there are certainly exceptions to the rule, veg*ns <i>on average</i> tend to weigh less than meat eaters so I see why Mia might feel the way she does. There are plenty of people that experience positive weight loss due to veg*nism (or the opposite like me - gaining and being able to keep a healthier, stable weight). Of course, there's nothing wrong with being an overweight veg*n though or a veg*n that can/likes to eat a lot.</div>
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I did have weight problems myself as a kid, as like many in the South I was raised on a diet that was heavy in sugars and meat. I have found it much easier to stay in shape now as a vegan, although I can see where it's possible to end up with weight problems if your diet has a lot of starches in it. And I love to eat!<br><br>
I realize this probably sounds mean, but a lot of my thinking started with one professor I had 2 years ago. In every class he was drinking out of a KFC cup, and the man easily weighed at least 300 lbs. I hadn't gone veg yet at the time, but I couldn't help but think to myself in class about how way too many chickens are being killed for him.
 

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Last week at the grocery store, I overheard a conversation between two older women who didn't know each other. The first one said something to the effect that the older she got, the more she cared about the suffering of animals and she'd given up all meat except chicken and fish. The second woman didn't want to hear it and said, "My problem is that I think they taste too good."<br><br>
The second woman was quite fat and she struck me as a very thoughtless, greedy person and I couldn't help but think of all the health problems she would most likely face because it. It didn't make me sad. I felt as indifferent to her suffering, as she seemed to feel about the animals'.
 

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I guess I'm just coming from the point of view that there is a massive obesity epidemic from eating triple cheeseburgers, buckets full of fried chicken, etc. Unfortunately, I also used to work at a BBQ restaurant here too (pre-veg), and <b>many people who were already huge as is would order a full slab of ribs, with a slab being about the same size as 2 pieces of notebook paper.</b> And I do see obese people chowing down on these things frequently around here. Even before I went veg, it bothered me a lot. <b>That and when I'd have to throw meat away because the customer didn't finish it.</b> Seriously, people could save not only the animals' lives by being more mindful, but also their own lives.</div>
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Certainly no more acceptable! I didn't mean it like that at all, but then when I saw 4H and massive in the lobby, then judging from my experience working in restaurants it stands to reason that <b>they probably eat at least 2 to 3 times the meat as your average carnivore.</b><br><br>
Sorry if I sound cranky, living in the South had made me very jaded and cynical in more ways than just this.</div>
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So, based on your statement before this one, the average thin person eats about 1/3 a full rack of ribs then? What do they do with the rest of it? Do they *mindfully* bring the rest home so as to not waste it? If so, this is somehow better? I'm not following the logic in these seemingly conflicting statements, also it doesn't jive with what I've observed people do in terms of ordering and eating (fat and thin).
 

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Delisioso, I'd feel the same way, I'd probably think to myself that that was instant karma in her case, although I'm too tactful to say much out loud. About 1 time out of 3 when I tell people I'm vegan, I get some kind of response along the lines of "I love meat too much." Yeah, well, when I did eat it I thought some of it was tasty as well, but then I woke up, completely comprehended the suffering that the animals go through, and realized that nothing is yummy enough to justify this suffering.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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So, fat people eat too much meat, but not enough at the same time?</div>
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Not the same person, usually. I don't agree with meat eating at all, which is why I'm here. That said though, the fact that many people either eat way more food than they need to while a large part of it is meat takes it to another level even worse than the average carnivore. Your observations might be different that mine; mine are based on dietary habits in Georgia, which are very different from dietary habits anywhere else I've been.
 

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I'm from Georgia. Yep, people in the South are fat. Yup <b>some</b> (but definitely not all) of that is diet related. No, not all bodies are created the same. Some are naturally larger, some are naturally smaller. Yup, other factors play a role (Southern culture, food availability, economic disadvantage, etc.).<br><br>
And finally, NO, it is not our place to judge. We are not the food police.
 

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Some people judge people for what they eat, while others judge people who judge people for what they eat.</div>
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Yeah some people are asshats and some are rightfully disgusted.
 

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Yeah some people are asshats and some are rightfully disgusted.</div>
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Sorry if I sound cranky, living in the South had made me very jaded and cynical in more ways than just this.</div>
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And very judgemental.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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The second woman was quite fat and she struck me as a very thoughtless, greedy person and I couldn't help but think of all the health problems she would most likely face because it. It didn't make me sad. I felt as indifferent to her suffering, as she seemed to feel about the animals'.</div>
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Delisioso, I'd feel the same way, I'd probably think to myself that that was instant karma in her case, although I'm too tactful to say much out loud.</div>
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So meat eaters deserve to have healthy problems and suffer? Are your family/friends meat eaters? Do you tell them you are indifferent and really don't give a **** if they end up sick and dying??
 
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