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a recent blog post by Dr Fuhrman questioning the need or no need to raise HDL levels to prevent cardiac events.....<a href="http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/cardiovascular-disease-hdl-is-higher-really-better.html" target="_blank">http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives...ly-better.html</a><br><br><br>
" there is simply less need for HDL when LDL decreases, and the body adapts to this change by producing less HDL"
 

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i would still like to know if there is any possible way to reduce your cholestrol if its generic. My doctor says no, and I have tried everything in the book.<br><br>
My cholestrol is 7 and I am not on medication as it gives such bad side effects.<br><br>
How worried should I really be?<br><br>
I must go for another blood test end of this month to determine if my cholestrol is still so high.
 

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I know on another post, someone figured out the conversion since we are in different countries. I don't know what 7 means in the way the US tests. Dr Fuhrman wasn't discussing cholesterol levels per say, just whether the need to raise the HDL was there, if the LDL were low.<br><br>
I don't have an answer for you.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>kasandra</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2968634"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
i would still like to know if there is any possible way to reduce your cholestrol if its generic. My doctor says no, and I have tried everything in the book.</div>
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Yes, there is. I've already shared with you some info on this. A whole foods vegan eating plan along with a few simple lifestyle tweaks is one easy way to do this and is one thing you said you haven't tried.
 

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^^^that is true. Dr Esselstyne would agree.
 

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Yes, there is. I've already shared with you some info on this. A whole foods vegan eating plan along with a few simple lifestyle tweaks is one easy way to do this and is one thing you said you haven't tried.</div>
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I have actually followed an eating plan specially to get the cholestrol lower, 100% no cheating and it didnt help my cholestrol, a nutritionist also recommended a plan which didnt help.<br><br>
I did cut out all things fried, refined, uped my good fats ate the flaxseeds every day.<br><br>
In my view I have almost tried everything to get it down naturally.<br><br>
Even homopatic medicine, nothing works.
 

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I've helped many clients drop cholesterol by as much as 100 points in 6 weeks doing very simple things, centering around a whole foods, vegan diet and daily exercise. Just sayin' (again) that it *is* possible.
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I have actually followed an eating plan specially to get the cholestrol lower, 100% no cheating and it didnt help my cholestrol, a nutritionist also recommended a plan which didnt help.<br><br>
I did cut out all things fried, refined, uped my good fats ate the flaxseeds every day.<br><br>
In my view I have almost tried everything to get it down naturally.<br><br>
Even homopatic medicine, nothing works.</div>
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yes i understand but do they have the generic cholestrol or not?<br><br>
there is a difference as my doctor explained to me.<br><br>
my dad went on an eating plan and exercise and dropped his cholestrol one time, but then he doesnt have the generic cholestrol like my mom and i.
 

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My whole foods vegan diet doesn't do crap for my cholesterol, nor does exercise, or supplements. My ratio is better than perfect, but my overall numbers are very high (though the doctor said with a ratio like that [2:1] I'd never get heart disease). I've found that it's really easy for people WITHOUT genetically high cholesterol to tell you what you need to do, and how you aren't doing enough or doing the right things to keep your cholesterol down, when it isn't actually so easy, and for some people like me, it doesn't make a damn difference what I do. My cholesterol was very high as an omni, a vegetarian, and a vegan.
 

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thanks Rabid-child... i feel the same. man I have tried everything. and friends and family always comments on my high cholestrol cause if it was just on exercise and lifestyle I would have the lowest cholestrol in the books cause I am extremely healthy.<br><br>
the genetically cholestrol is such a *****.<br><br>
its very frustrating for me as well as I am very healthy and have this cloud over my head.
 

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Meg, then you would be one of those that Dr Esselstyne would put on a low dose statin. There is a small percentage of people who do need them, but most can change their numbers dramatically by diet and exercise. It really is only a small percentage too, but I don't have the book now to tell you what that is.
 

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The generic stuff really confused me. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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Sorry penny <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> english my second language so sometimes just get grammer and meanings of words wrong
 

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Oh, no problem. I thought it was talking about a generic prescription, just couldn't figure it out. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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yes i understand but do they have the generic cholestrol or not?</div>
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Yes, even the clients I worked with who had "genetically high" cholesterol have had dramatic drops when following a specific whole foods, vegan, no refined sugars or starches, no alcohol, regular exercise plan. You may NOT have the same results, still, unless you tried it you won't know, right?<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Meg, then you would be one of those that Dr Esselstyne would put on a low dose statin. There is a small percentage of people who do need them, but most can change their numbers dramatically by diet and exercise. It really is only a small percentage too, but I don't have the book now to tell you what that is.</div>
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Yes, even those with "genetically" high cholesterol can experience the benefits of a whole foods, plant-based vegan diet and regular exercise, still, in some cases, that is not enough alone to lower the numbers.<br><br>
Still, as is the case with people like Meg, she shows favorable ratios and such and that counts for a lot too.
 

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Meg, then you would be one of those that Dr Esselstyne would put on a low dose statin. There is a small percentage of people who do need them, but most can change their numbers dramatically by diet and exercise. It really is only a small percentage too, but I don't have the book now to tell you what that is.</div>
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I don't need statins because my ratio is better than perfect. The doctor said she'd never seen good cholesterol as high as mine, or a ratio as low -- but if you JUST look at the total, then my cholesterol is high! (220) I'm not worried about it.
 

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That's great, also 220 isn't terribly high. Another example of how other factors such as lifestyle outweigh basic numbers set out as acceptable in a range.
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I don't need statins because my ratio is better than perfect. The doctor said she'd never seen good cholesterol as high as mine, or a ratio as low -- but if you JUST look at the total, then my cholesterol is high! (220) I'm not worried about it.</div>
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