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Hi, Im new to the whole meat-free diet (not sure if its vegetarian since Im still finding out what is truly a vegetarian diet), going on 4 weeks now, I just had a few questions.<br><br><br><br>
First let me start out, I watched Meet Your Meat one day and became meat-free over night. My main reasons were the disease that animals live with and the cruelty that animals are subject to on production farms. I am currently still eating cheese and some dairy products, but no beef, poultry, pork, fish, and egg products. Let me get to the point.<br><br><br><br>
My father is an avid hunter and fisherman, I have no desire to eat the venison or the foul that he kills. But I am wondering about the fish that he catches. Since my reasons for making the switch were mainly lying in production farming, which is not where the fish come from, or the fish equivalent. I create no demand for the fish in that market, and the fish are able to live full lives up until he point of being caught, and there are regulations on what he can keep and what has to be relased. Fishing or angling, has been around for centuries, and I can be assured of what is being caught is not done though commerical fishing, which I dont want to support. And this could still be considered as providing food for survival. I know there are other alternatives, such as vegeitarian tuna and such.<br><br><br><br>
I know that the decision is ultimately mine, but I would like to make that decision with some input of others. Thanks.
 

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I think that since this is a vegetarian message board, you probably won't get much support from anyone if you want to eat fish, as that's not vegetarian. Even though you feel you have reasons justifying it, to most people who are vegetarian, they just look like silly excuses.<br><br>
You're correct, the decision is ultimately yours. I hope you join us. However, I've always believed that if someone doesn't do something for the "right" reasons, it won't stick. Good luck in your decision. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I wouldn't eat fish, even caught in that way. <a href="http://fishinghurts.com/FishFeelPain.asp" target="_blank">fish feel pain and fear</a>. Here's more about <a href="http://www.fisharesmart.com/feat-hiddenfish.asp" target="_blank">how cool fish are</a>. Re: catch and release - a large amount of released fish die anyway soon afterwards <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br><br><br>
of course you are probably right that these fish have a much better life than farmed fish and the environmental impact is probably not as bad. If you really feel you need fish in your diet, this is a good way to do it. But if you're fine on a vegetarian diet, why bother? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I don't eat fish.<br><br>
If you are not concerned with the 'label' and don't care whether or not you are a vegetarian (because you wouldn't be one if you ate fish), then you have nothing to worry about. It's certainly the lesser of the two evils to eat the fish your dad catches. Some people start out slowly anyway and I congratulate you on your choice to not eat meat/eggs. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I wouldn't eat it myself. It depends on your reasons for not eating meat. If, like you said, it's because you disagree with factory farming then (in my opinion) it's fine to eat fish caught by your father. Although, you wouldn't be vegetarian. It is ultimately up to you.<br><br><br><br>
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If you want my honest view, I think the reasons you mention for eating fish are very poor ones. So what if the fish live good lives before they're killed - that makes it all the more wrong to end those lives, does it not? If a dog has had a happy life, can someone shoot him? As to "fishing has been around for centuries", so have murder and diseases. That's not a reason to support anything.
 

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I wouldn't eat it..I don't like the idea of injesting a dead body.</div>
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Agreed.
 

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I ate fish for many years after first going vegetarian. Pretty much the same reason as you--they live fairly nice lives till they die, and I dont think of them as higher sentient beings. I think having the fish option open to me really helped ease the transition into vegetarian-ness with regards to eating out and more especially meals with extended family etc.<br><br>
Now I dont. After years of not eating any other meat, the entire concept of eating flesh just got kind of icky. Whilst, unlike many others here, I still believe there is a difference generally between eating meat and eating fish, there just came a point where I reevaluated my diet and asked myself why I was still doing it. Whilst the pain of "food fish" is theoretically much less than that of the other animals, I had to ask myself why I had decided that some pain was better than much pain, rather than no pain being better than some pain. When I couldnt answer my own question, I stopped eating fish.<br><br>
Also, whilst I generally lack spiritual beliefs about souls and the sanctity of life and what not, I could not square myself with the idea that it is ok to kill another healthy creature for ones own pleasure (or in my case convenience).<br><br><br><br>
That is why I dont eat fish. Those are perhaps reasons you might want to consider when deciding whether you eat fish. They are also the reasons why I will not judge if you decide that at this moment in time a complete vegetarian diet is not for you.
 

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...And this could still be considered as providing food for survival. I know there are other alternatives, such as vegeitarian tuna and such.<br></div>
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It's not for survival though, is it? As you say, there are alternatives and you can be healthy and well-nourished without fish and the participation in the cruelty it involves.
 

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Not to beat a dead horse, so to speak, but fish isn't a vegetarian food.<br><br><br><br>
That said, you can do what you want to, just don't call yourself a vegetarian if you eat fish or any other seafood.
 

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if you don't mind my asking, would you be the one killing the fish? would it bother you to do so? no judgement call here, i'm merely curious.
 

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Willian Penn, the man after whom the state of Pennsylvania was named, converted to the Quakers at the age of 22. At this time, it was fashionable for young men to wear swords by their sides. The Quakers however, were nonviolent and eventually young William Penn spoke to his good friend what he should do about his discomfort surrounding wearing a sword while embracing non-violence. His response was, "Wear it as long as you can."<br><br><br><br>
You are a consciencious person as per your reaction to the video and your response to that reaction. Eat fish as long as you can.<br><br><br><br>
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Eat fish as long as you can.<br><br><br><br>
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well i agree with everyone else. fish have the right to live. but however if u want to still eat them its up to u. u wuld be considered a pesco vegetarian.
 

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well i agree with everyone else. fish have the right to live. but however if u want to still eat them its up to u. u wuld be considered a pesco vegetarian.</div>
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Actually, someone who eats fish is not a vegetarian and would therefore be a 'pescatarian'.
 

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What?!</div>
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I was thinking the same thing. But I didn't want to say anything because I thought I was missing the point of the story and perhaps she meant that in a way that implied that eating fish was wrong, and to only eat fish for as long as your conscience allows it (which would be nudging the person to give up fish).<br><br><br><br>
But then I thought the point of the story was to wear the sword for as long as he could because as long as he was wearing it he would not be killing people with it. I don't know, maybe I'm dense, but I'm seriously confused here.
 

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... perhaps she meant ...</div>
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Well... actually Angel is a 'he' <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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... perhaps she meant that in a way that implied that eating fish was wrong, and to only eat fish for as long as your conscience allows it</div>
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Well, I am a little fuzzy on the whole 'right' and 'wrong' thing. For me, morality is dynamic. Some things that were morally acceptable for me once upon a time are no longer acceptable. Other things that were 'wrong' once upon a time, are now correct and necessary - maybe even 'right'. That said, yes, the story implies that the young Penn was changing. It is my belief (and apparently the belief of his friend) that we change and grow at exactly the right speed for us. Once Penn started questioning his wearing the sword - taking it off was simply a matter of time. He was uncomfotable because the sword IS a symbol of violence and, being given enough time to think about it, he would come to that conclusion on his own. If someone had tried to disarm him, he would no doubt have protected himself from that - but left to his own devices, he would soon disarm himself.<br><br><br><br>
I can't imagine the person who wrote the original post continuing to eat fish for long simply because they are thinking about it. The ones who continue tend to be the ones who do not think about it. But generally, I think you got it - it's a conscience thing.<br><br><br><br>
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Well, I am a little fuzzy on the whole 'right' and 'wrong' thing. For me, morality is dynamic. Some things that were morally acceptable for me once upon a time are no longer acceptable. Other things that were 'wrong' once upon a time, are now correct and necessary - maybe even 'right'. That said, yes, the story implies that the young Penn was changing. It is my belief (and apparently the belief of his friend) that we change and grow at exactly the right speed for us. Once Penn started questioning his wearing the sword - taking it off was simply a matter of time. He was uncomfotable because the sword IS a symbol of violence and, being given enough time to think about it, he would come to that conclusion on his own. If someone had tried to disarm him, he would no doubt have protected himself from that - but left to his own devices, he would soon disarm himself.<br><br><br><br>
I can't imagine the person who wrote the original post continuing to eat fish for long simply because they are thinking about it. The ones who continue tend to be the ones who do not think about it. But generally, I think you got it - it's a conscience thing.</div>
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Do you apply this reasoning to all cases? Let's say that it is you who is the victim. Someone's conscience allows that they violently harm you, but they are having some doubts about it. Would your comment to that person be "do it as long as you can/want"?<br><br><br><br>
If not, then it seems that the whole thing is predicated on the idea that you're not the one suffering the consequences of people struggling with their conscience.
 
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