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so upsetting family omnis is a bad thing, but how do you get the balance right? the last time i asked to not be given a cereal that wasn't vegetarian, it caused a big cafuffel and my mother got upset. now we have new cereals (we do all the time) and i noticed that some have ingredients that could be of animal origin. should i say something so that i'm not consuming something i'd rather not or be quiet so i don't upset anyone but still eat it anyway?<br><br><br><br>
(even though i could still be eating things i don't want to in other meals, despite my best efforts)
 

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If there's vegetarian food available I reccomend just eating it without comment. Also, ignore the nonvegetarian food without discussion. If you eat healthily and are calm and rational in your position when confronted about your diet any logical person would let the issue drop.<br><br><br><br>
there's another $.02 in the bucket,<br><br><br><br>
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Hee - "Cafuffel." I haven't heard that word in a long time.<br><br><br><br>
You speak of that which plagues all veg*ns who are still living with their parents. I can only advise that you try to go grocery shopping with your Mom, and throw veg*n cereal (and other appropriate foods) in the basket, and hope she doesn't toss them out.<br><br><br><br>
My personal experience was that being a vegan while living with my parents would have been almost impossible, but being a vegetarian was pretty easy (I just stopped eating meat and ate more of whatever else was prepared). I also started offering to cook dinner 3 or 4 times a week. Have you tried this?<br><br><br><br>
Or, appeal to her frugal side, "Mom, those boxed cereals are so expensive! You can just pick me up some oatmeal."
 

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Here's an afterthought with regards to cereal specifically. There's a brand called EnviroKidz<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.envirokidz.com" target="_blank">www.envirokidz.com</a><br><br><br><br>
they have what I think are pretty damn good vegan cereals, especially the Peanut Butter Panda Puffs and the Koala Crisp. The thing is that a percentage of each box bought goes to wild animal benefits or some such. So if it is available near you and you like it you can have your mom get it for you because it helps animals, BUT IT'S VEGAN<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"><br><br><br><br>
GOOD LUCK <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br><br><br>
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I've <i>never</i> heard the word "cafuffel."<br><br><br><br>
Being a vegetarian back when I lived with my parents was a pain, but what firebird said is all fabulous advice. I generally ate grape nuts, oatmeal, or cream of wheat for breakfast (they're all healthy and, except for the grape nuts, cheap -- the 'rents couldn't complain!) or some sort of smoothie or fruit (melon, grapefruit)... Actually, I still eat like that. I bought my own soy milk. (Actually, it was rice milk back then... I hated soy milk for quite a few years).<br><br><br><br>
I offered to cook <i>several</i> nights a week and made lists for my parents or (more often) bought the ingredients myself. Sometimes we were all able to eat together okay... my dad got used to making split pea soup without hamhocks, burritos without beef, spaghetti without meatballs. They still cook that way, actually. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> They like it better... go fig.<br><br><br><br>
I didn't eat anything they got that wasn't vegetarian because, knowing my parents, if they broke me down once, they'd never stop trying. I don't know your parents' personalities. Mine like to be right. Of course, I like to be right, too. I was trying to make them vegetarians and they were trying to get me to eat <i>some</i> meat. Oh the fun. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"> Actually, after they realized I was serious, it <i>was</i> fun.<br><br><br><br>
Now, when my sister went veg it became <i>much</i> easier. Spoiled little brat. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> Oh my gosh how they bent over backwards for her. She quit a while back, though.
 

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Whats worse than being Veg*an and living with meat-eating parents? Being Veg*an living with your old fashioned grandparents. I just find other things to eat and keep quiet so I don't start huge debates. I also go grocery shopping on my own or with my grappa now so that might be good for you. I like what everyone else said.
 

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You should let your mom know which cereals to buy. That way, you'll have your own, and there won't be any reason to argue.<br><br><br><br>
I'm lucky enough to be out of the house for quite some time now, married to a great guy who loves our new (sort of new) vegetarian diet, so I just buy whatever I think would be good, and he'll eat it.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by firebird_81</i><br><br><b>Hee - "Cafuffel." I haven't heard that word in a long time.<br><br></b></div>
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I never heard it until now. I'm adding it to my vocabulary! I'll be saying it all day. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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You can get a 5 lb. box of Grape Nuts at some grocery stores that sell bulk sizes. I get ours at Ralphs here in L.A. for $5.99 with my Club Card discount.
 

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I haven't had grape nuts since before going vegetarian a couple of years ago. I'm gonna go get me sum.<br><br><br><br>
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In my experience, regular cereals are vegetraian. pretty much every kellogs cereal is vegetarian, and these are the ones which are most common, so there shouldn't be too much of a problem there. I think you may be getting nestlé cereal. I'm not sure, but on the nestle webpage, they have a vegetarian and vegan product list. B12 is prtety much always synthetic, so don't worry about that. (I've not heard of them deriving B12 from meat. It's much cheaper for them to just grow it in a lab.)<br><br><br><br>
Vitamin D can be a problem. If it says D2, it's Ok. If it says D3, it's not vegan, it might be vegetarian, or it might not be. If it says Vitamin D, it's probably D3.<br><br><br><br>
But don't worry too much about miniscule things like that. they don't matter too much. but if you are worried about them, then just check them out.<br><br><br><br>
It'd best to quietly check that everything's Ok before making a scene, and if you do announc eit to the family, it's best to do it discreetly.<br><br><br><br>
In our house, cereals are very individualised. We choose our own cereal, and we have numerous boxes, including cornflakes, coco pops and weetabix.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by epski</i><br><br><b>You can get a 5 lb. box of Grape Nuts at some grocery stores that sell bulk sizes. I get ours at Ralphs here in L.A. for $5.99 with my Club Card discount.</b></div>
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It always seemed so annoying to me that veg*ns have to bend over backwards to accommodate omnis, but heaven forbid that anyone else make any concessions to the veg*n.<br><br><br><br>
I do understand that you can't really be too hard-assed with your parents though. I'm sure if you make a point of going to the market with whomever does the primary shopping for your family that you can chuck some suitable stuff into the cart. Heck, like Loki said, most cereals are vegetarian anyway, I can't imagine that your family could get too bent over choosing raisin bran over sugar-sweetened fruity ohs. They should be pleased that their child is such a forward-thinking, health minded individual.<br><br><br><br>
As an aside, after reading all of the posts by the younger folk who are having so much trouble maintaining their veganism at home with parents, I've come to really appreciate my own parents' leniency. I'll have to tell them when I speak to them next<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">.
 

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What is it in the cereal that you're concerned about? Cereal seems like a minor thing to me, so I'd just ignore it this time, and when the box gets low appeal to your mom to get you your brand next time. Unless it's some type of cereal that I haven't heard of (Meaty Pebbles?) then I would think any animal byproduct would be pretty minor.
 

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Umm, why don't you just buy your own food?<br><br><br><br>
I've always wondered why people expect others to accomodate their dietary choices.<br><br><br><br>
If your family is omni, why is it their responsibility to increase their grocery bill and change THEIR dietary choices, just to accomodate your personal change of diet?<br><br><br><br>
Just avoid the hassle and buy your own food and then there will be no issue.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Tofu rebel</i><br><br><b>so upsetting family omnis is a bad thing, but how do you get the balance right? the last time i asked to not be given a cereal that wasn't vegetarian, it caused a big cafuffel and my mother got upset.</b></div>
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I'm not sure about this, maybe it's the way you comment them.<br><br>
Or they don't really (fully) understand/agree with why you are vegan.<br><br><br><br>
I know my mum still doesn't understand it and feels I think her food ain't good enough, she sees me rejecting some food as rejecting her......
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by 1vegan</i><br><br><b>I'm not sure about this, maybe it's the way you comment them.<br><br>
Or they don't really (fully) understand/agree with why you are vegan.<br><br><br><br>
I know my mum still doesn't understand it and feels I think her food ain't good enough, she sees me rejecting some food as rejecting her......</b></div>
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she said last time it was silly to stop eating it just because there was "a little bit" in there that "might not even be in there at all".<br><br><br><br>
it was the weetabix mini crunch stuff at the moment, but i found out that it is alright. but then it could be anything next week.<br><br><br><br>
but a massive thanks to everyone, i will definatly try out the things you said! i tend to get worried wherever B12 or vitamin D is concerned - thanks Loki - but if it's cheaper to make it synthetically then that's cool <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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"Umm, why don't you just buy your own food?"<br><br><br><br>
That is a good idea, and I was able to do it once I was older, but at 16, my part-time job earned me just enough money to pay for gas, car insurance, and various other things (stuff for school, college savings, clothes I wanted). I wouldn't have had any money left over to buy my own food.
 
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