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I noticed on or two Pagans on here, and as they might also be witches, I was just wondering:

You may have seen my smoking probs post. If the people in my accommodation (including visitors who it's not so easy to report as I don't know where they live) keep smoking in the communal areas, and after other options I really HAVE to use witchcraft, what kind of spell would be best?

I almost put a curse on one or two people tonight


Not very Wiccan of me
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I'm flying with a broom right now (with a laptop with a wireless connection), so I'll get back to you later
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You "have to" use witchcraft? Why? Why not try talking to them?
Whatever happened to The Golden Rule (the Pagan/Wiccan version of it, anyway)?
i think i agree with the process of following all practical aspects first. i suppose you can call it practical magic. talk to them, see if you can work out an agreement, etc.
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
disclaimer: I don't practise magic or believe it works, so maybe my opinion should not be here, but ...

a lot of you are jumping to the conclusion that the OP is talking about harming the other people or infringing on their rights in some way? at least, that's the impression get. However, (s)he was only asking for advice on how best to deal with the problem in a magical way. As I understand it (i.e. not much
), this could take many forms: a protection spell maybe to stop the effects of passive smoking, some kind of spell to make his/her communication skills better so (s)he can talk to them about it more effectively, etc.

FWIW, (s)he also gave the impression that (s)he would only look into the magical options after trying everything else.
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Just hit em with a little "Expulso".. that ought to clear up the problem.
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You "have to" use witchcraft? Why? Why not try talking to them?
I didn't say I have to, I said IF I have to. For example if I've tried all other options - talked to them, reported them to reception, reported them to the council (who can fine people for smoking illegally), pulled their cigs out their mouths/hands and chucked em out the window

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Whatever happened to The Golden Rule (the Pagan/Wiccan version of it, anyway)?
See above. The Rule btw is (written in various ways) 'If it harms none, do what you want' - so you gotta make sure you harm none. A lot of Wiccans conveniently ignore the rule when it comes to animals.

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i think i agree with the process of following all practical aspects first. i suppose you can call it practical magic. talk to them, see if you can work out an agreement, etc.
See above

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An ye harm none, do what ye will....
See above

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disclaimer: I don't practise magic or believe it works, so maybe my opinion should not be here, but ...

a lot of you are jumping to the conclusion that the OP is talking about harming the other people or infringing on their rights in some way? at least, that's the impression get. However, (s)he was only asking for advice on how best to deal with the problem in a magical way. As I understand it (i.e. not much
), this could take many forms: a protection spell maybe to stop the effects of passive smoking, some kind of spell to make his/her communication skills better so (s)he can talk to them about it more effectively, etc.

FWIW, (s)he also gave the impression that (s)he would only look into the magical options after trying everything else.
Precisely


I tried asking one (politely) when he was smoking in the kitchen if he'd minde smoking somewhere else, he said "yeh" then carried on smoking in the kitchen

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Just hit em with a little "Expulso".. that ought to clear up the problem.
What's that?
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I tried asking one (politely) when he was smoking in the kitchen if he'd minde smoking somewhere else, he said "yeh" then carried on smoking in the kitchen
Is it spells you need or just better communication on your part ?.

Some situations there are two ways to handle it . First is the polite way , you have just mentioned . Which in most cases works . Next (even if its thought out before hand ) a more direct verbal communication that the smokers understands where you are coming from .
Feel free to send some anti-smoking magic (magick?) my way, I'm trying to quit.

Rebbecca

*Good luck, hope it works out*
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Feel free to send some anti-smoking magic (magick?) my way, I'm trying to quit.

Rebbecca

*Good luck, hope it works out*
I spell it both ways, as I'm not sure whether to spell it with a k to differentiate it from stage illusions, or try to reclaim the word without a k
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I don't do this, but some people use binding spells, to bind the negative energy/actions of the person.
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I don't do this, but some people use binding spells, to bind the negative energy/actions of the person.
To me that's an absolute, totally last resort, as it messes with free will.

In any case, it turns out it's a smoking house (reception made a mistake when they moved me into it) although I thought otherwise as there's one of those 'It is illegal to smoke in these premises' signs on the window - although they aint sposed to smoke in the communal areas but reception reckons they can't enforce that because they aint there at night (and security, through no fault of their own, aint clued up enough to be able to deal with it firmly enough). So I'm being moved again (I'd moved into the house originally because of my health because there was damp in a previous house).


Plus reception weren't even sure about it anyway - one guy thought it was allowed in smoking houses, a cleaner told him otherwise, but he'd not been told about it and presumably the residents thought they would be able to smoke anywhere in a smoking house.
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this tickles my funny bone very much indeed
If you cast a spell on somebody without their knowledge and authorisation then you are impinging on their free will.... this is harming them - no ifs no buts.

Where would you stop once you start down this road? ....... "there's this guy/gal I really like but they aren't interested in me ... maybe just a little spell to help things on their way".

That's not OK and neither is a spell to reduce somebody smoking.

Harm none or suffer the consequences.

If you're living in a smoking house and would prefer to live in a non-smoking one, then move. You're binding yourself up with a whole lot of negative energy by the sounds of things.
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this tickles my funny bone very much indeed
I really like your photos. Very much.
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actually, i didn't assume that she would harm anyone, but rather i assumed that she hadn't exhausted all non-magical means to get to the root of her problem.

my second assumption--which is coming out now--is that she hasn't been involved in witchcraft for very long, and if she has, it hasn't been at the learning/apprentice to the natural-magical world phase for very long.

the basis of this assumption is found in the idea that she has to ask. if she was well apprenticed to the natural-divine world, then she would know exactly what to do, and it would fall within her talents and abilities as they are now.

it may be that her magical practice isn't situated in spells--which one can only know if one has apprenticed with the natural-divine, studied extensively, and learned in that controlled environment. If she had, then she would already know exactly what can be done, magically speaking, in this situation.

so, my advice then is to learn about magic via apprenticeship of some kind with either other witches or as a solitary. as a solitary, it can be more difficult, but it is possible to apprentice with the natural-divine or with any of the creatures of the cosmology (fairies, gnomes, trolls, etc). prayer, meditation, ritual, fasting and a variety of other spiritual disciplines can be employed to begin apprenticeship.

and via this apprenticeship, you will learn your magical talents (not all make great spell casters), you will learn how they function and when to utilize them, and you will learn what magical actions are appropriate in a given magical circumstance.
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If you cast a spell on somebody without their knowledge and authorisation then you are impinging on their free will.... this is harming them - no ifs no buts.

Where would you stop once you start down this road? ....... "there's this guy/gal I really like but they aren't interested in me ... maybe just a little spell to help things on their way".

That's not OK and neither is a spell to reduce somebody smoking.

Harm none or suffer the consequences.

If you're living in a smoking house and would prefer to live in a non-smoking one, then move. You're binding yourself up with a whole lot of negative energy by the sounds of things.
1. I never said I wanted to cast a spell ON someone, if I wanted to do that then I wouldn't need ask what kind of spell, I'd just blatantly ignore the Wiccan Rede and cast a binding spell or a curse anyway.

2. I was in a non-smoking house to begin with (was moved because of rising damp and mould for my health). Was not told the house I was being moved to was a smoking house (the guy at reception blamed himself) and there was one of those 'it's illegal to smoke here' signs on the door so although I should have asked, I assumed it was a non-smoking house AND people aren't supposed to smoke in the communal areas anyway since the smoking ban. See above for the rest.

As for love spells, I think they're the sicket (yet most abused, it would seem) kind of spells - surely if you have sex with someone who's under a love spell, it's actually rape because they're effectively drugged with the spell you cast?

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actually, i didn't assume that she would harm anyone, but rather i assumed that she hadn't exhausted all non-magical means to get to the root of her problem.
Sort of correct. I was pre-empting that that might be the case and wanted advice in advance, though it may have been the case that non-magical means eventually worked.

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my second assumption--which is coming out now--is that she hasn't been involved in witchcraft for very long, and if she has, it hasn't been at the learning/apprentice to the natural-magical world phase for very long.

the basis of this assumption is found in the idea that she has to ask. if she was well apprenticed to the natural-divine world, then she would know exactly what to do, and it would fall within her talents and abilities as they are now.

it may be that her magical practice isn't situated in spells--which one can only know if one has apprenticed with the natural-divine, studied extensively, and learned in that controlled environment. If she had, then she would already know exactly what can be done, magically speaking, in this situation.
Again, you are sort of right. When absolutely necessary, I have managed to conjure up a spell or two (including one that was totally against the moon phase at the time, using my personal energy and words that you almost certainly wouldn't be able to understand but which seemed to come from the spirit rather than the physical body and which worked extremely fast).

Though I do need to practice my magical skills more. I usually find it difficult to manipulate energy, plus as I haven't practiced loads of spells etc., I didn't instantly have an idea in my head about which kind of spell to cast for this situation - but them I'm sure even amazing witches aren't able to instantly think what kind of spell is best (if a spell is needed) for EVERY situation.

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so, my advice then is to learn about magic via apprenticeship of some kind with either other witches or as a solitary. as a solitary, it can be more difficult, but it is possible to apprentice with the natural-divine or with any of the creatures of the cosmology (fairies, gnomes, trolls, etc). prayer, meditation, ritual, fasting and a variety of other spiritual disciplines can be employed to begin apprenticeship.

and via this apprenticeship, you will learn your magical talents (not all make great spell casters), you will learn how they function and when to utilize them, and you will learn what magical actions are appropriate in a given magical circumstance.
What kind of spiritual thing happens when a person fasts? And how do they know it's not hallucinations due to lack of food?

And by the way, I'm a guy, but for some reason I kind of like being referred to as 'she' (don't ask why as I aint sure myself) so feel free to keep referring to me as 'she'
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