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<a href="http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6475468%255E954,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/c...55E954,00.html</a><br><br><br><br><b>Pygmies ask UN to save their bacon</b><br><br><i>Priscilla Cheung in New York</i><br><br>
23may03<br><br>
PYGMY activists from Congo demanded yesterday that the United Nations set up a tribunal to try government and rebel fighters accused of slaughtering and eating pygmies caught in the country's civil war.<br><br><br><br>
Army, rebel and tribal fighters some believing the pygmies are less than human or that eating the flesh would give them magic power have been pursuing them in the dense jungles, killing them and eating their flesh, the activists said at a news conference.<br><br><br><br>
There were reports of markets for pygmy flesh, the representatives alleged.<br><br><br><br>
"In living memory, we have seen cruelty, massacres, genocide, but we have never seen human beings hunted and eaten literally as though they were game animals, as has recently happened," said Sinafasi Makelo, a representative of the Mbuti pygmies in Congo.<br><br><br><br>
"This is nothing more, nothing less than a crime against humanity. This is a certain kind of genocide," Makelo, a delegate to the UN Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues which is meeting at UN headquarters, said.<br><br><br><br>
Njuma Ekundanayo, an expert member of the Permanent Forum, said attacks against the pygmies "are not only coming from the army but also from other groups".<br><br><br><br>
"We don't understand why the military practises cannibalism against the pygmies," she said.<br><br><br><br>
The fighters also raped and sexually assaulted pygmy women, and sexually transmitted diseases were spreading in pygmy communities, the activists said.<br><br><br><br>
About 600,000 pygmies are believed to live in Congo, struck by a five-year-old civil war fuelled by deep-seated ethnic and tribal hatreds.
 

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O Piacular Jupiter!<br><br><br><br>
Sometimes I'm revolted and saddened by things humans do... When will everyone be free, educated and wealthy? It's only up to us.<br><br><br><br>
This is barbaric.
 

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Um, I thought this was rather common in the past, before people became more "enlightened".<br><br><br><br>
I think it is telling that whenever a group of people or beings are treated in such horrible ways, it is excused because they are "less than human".<br><br><br><br>
"less than human" seems to be a dangerous label to receive.<br><br>
Perhaps all that "human" means is one that is treated decently.
 

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I started out in this forum today reading about the blind man kicking his guide dog to death. Next I read about the three guys beating the birds to death for "fun". Now this. I feel as though I have to bleach my soul to get rid of what I've read. I'm ashamed to be human.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Thalia</i><br><br><b>Um, I thought this was rather common in the past, before people became more "enlightened".<br><br><br><br>
I think it is telling that whenever a group of people or beings are treated in such horrible ways, it is excused because they are "less than human".<br><br><br><br>
"less than human" seems to be a dangerous label to receive.<br><br>
Perhaps all that "human" means is one that is treated decently.</b></div>
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Yes, but less than human wasn't cannibalism. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br><br><br>
Gosh, humans can be so incredibly barbaric- it sickens me! I wish I didn't have to hear of stuff this horrible! But it's reality, and we have to live with it. One by one we can change. Hopefully life will be much better for people in the future. But, judging by the deterioration I have made myself conscious of in the past year, things look grim.<br><br><br><br>
Pygmies always have fascinated me. I remember first learning about them in grade school. It makes me sad that stuff like this happens...<br><br><br><br>
No one respects anyone anymore, it seems. I think it's kinda funny- see, I visit more forums. No one has shown me disrespect on here. We all seem to get along pretty well, it's almost like a big group of good friends, or family (hehe <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> ). But on other boards, there are always flame wars, etc. Perhaps because we tend to be more compassionate? (based on our reasons for going veg- AR, ethical reasons. And yes, I realize that there are more reasons to be veg)<br><br><br><br>
And mouse, I agree. A lot of times I am ashamed to be human, too. Some humans deeply sadden me. Everytime I start to possibly gain an ounce of faith in humanity, it is always swept away.
 

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I was just thinking, in a dark, cynical humor sort of way, I wonder if the hunters of the Pygmies also gave them a typewriter to see what they would do with it. (see <a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6152" target="_blank">this thread in the compost heap</a> .)<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Edited to add, I have starting looking for info on the Pygmies and found this:
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<div class="quote-block">The Case of Ota Benga<br><br>
In 1906 the crowds thronged the monkey house exhibit at the Bronx Zoo (New York Zoological Park). Here were man's "evolutionary ancestors" - monkeys, chimpanzees, a gorilla named Dinah, an orangutan named Dohung and an African pygmy tribesman named Ota Benga.<br><br>
Ota Benga was brought from the Belgian Congo in 1904 by noted African explorer Samuel Verner along with other pygmies and displayed in an exhibit in the 1904 St. Louis world's Fair. Ota Benga (or "Bi", which means "friend" in his language) was born in 1881, had a height of 4 ft. 11in. and weighted 103 lbs. Although he was referred to as a boy he had been married twice. His first wife had been captured by a hostile tribe and his second wife died by a snake bite.<br><br><br><br>
After the St. Louis exhibit, Ota found himself at the Bronx Zoo which at that time was under the direction of Dr. William T. Hornaday, who was considered a bit eccentric. Hornaday believed animals had nearly human thoughts and personalities, and he could read the thoughts of zoo animals. He "apparently saw no difference between a wild beast and the little Black man" and insisted he was only offering an "intriguing exhibit". (Jerry Bergman, Creation Ex Nihilo, Vol 16, No 1 Dec 1993-Feb 1994 p. 49, quoting Carl Sifakis, "Benga, Ota: The Zoo Man", in American Eccentrics, Facts on File, New York, 1984, p. 253)<br><br><br><br>
The exhibit was immensely popular and controversial; the black community was outraged and some churchmen feared that it would convince people of Darwin's theory of evolution. Under threat of legal action, Hornaday had Ota Benga leave his cage and circulate around the zoo in a white suit, but he returned to the monkey house to sleep.<br><br><br><br>
In time Ota Benga began to hate being the object of curiosity. "There were 40,000 visitors to the part on Sunday. Nearly every man, woman and child of this crowd made for the monkey house to see the start attraction in the park - the wild man from Africa. They chased him about the grounds add day, howling, jeering, and yelling. Some of them poked him in the ribs, others tripped him up, all laughed at him." (Creation Ex Nihilo, quoting Phillip V. Bradford and Harvey Blume, "Ota Benga: The Pygmy in the Zoo", St. Martins, 1992, p. 269, from the "New York Times" Sept. 18, 1906) At one point, he got hold of a knife and flourished it around the park, another time he produced a fracas after being denied a soda from the soda fountain. Finally, after fabricating a small bow and arrows and shooting at obnoxious park visitors he had to leave the park for good.<br><br><br><br>
After his park experience, several institutions tried to help him. He was placed in Virginia Theological Seminary and College but quit school to work in a tobacco factory. According to Hornaday (who probably had evolutionary racist views) "he did not possess the power of learning" (Creation Ex Nihilo, Vol 16, No. 1 Dec. 1993-Feb 1994, pp. 48-50).<br><br><br><br>
Growing homesick, hostile, and despondent Ota Benga borrowed a revolver, and shot himself in the heart, ending his life in 1916.<br><br><br><br>
References:<br><br>
Creation ex nihilo, Vol 16, No. 1 Dec. 1993-Feb 1994, pp. 48 50<br><br>
Milner 1990, 41-42</div>
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I believe that they are humans. Just like Asians look different from Africans who look different from Europeans. "Races" (I put that in quotations because I believe that the only race is the human race) have physical differences, and the Pygmies, just happen to have the characteristic of being smaller.<br><br><br><br>
Unfortunately, the case of Ota Benga didn't show people that Pygmies ARE human! A gorilla more than likely has the intelligence to kill itself if amazingly depressed, as any other animal... Bbut to have the mindset to take a gun to do it? How many animals can fabricate a weapon other than humans? And yes, we are animals.. only more barbaric.
 
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