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OK just to introduce myself I am Jared and I have up until a few hours ago never though about even cutting back on meat, earlier today while debating nutrition and ethics with some vegans I got a challange to commit to go completly vegan for a week and to see if it does not change my life. Being a man of science, and "vegan vs omnivore" studys being as conflicting as they are I decided to take up the challange and see for myself.<br>
This is a radical change seeing as I have been a hunter/fisherman and proud omnivore my entire 31 years, I decided to chronicle this week both as a tool to other people thinking of going "Cold Turkey" like me, and to get tips and advice from those who have lived the life for some time now.<br>
In the intrest of preserving the true spirit of the vegan movement I have also put away the hunting rifles and fishing poles for this controled experment. Wish me luck...I am going to need it.<br>
BTW If I slip up and say somthing offensive to the group plese let me know, I do not have any vegan friends so I don't know the hot buttons.
 

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Interesting...Welcome to vb <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Good for you for trying out the vegan diet!<br>
I'd highly recommend Gary Yourofsky's video about the vegan diet. It contains everything you need to know, and he delivers the speech very well.<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4</a><br><br>
And honestly, I give hunters and fishermen kudos for actually WORKING to get their food. If people are going to eat meat and fish, I would rather have them take time out of their day to work for their food and prepare it themselves rather than giving money to factory farms and just driving to the store to pick up meat.<br><br>
But still I'd prefer if no one hunted or fished <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> but just throwing that out there ^^
 

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I agree with nayrocks. I would much rather have someone hunt their food and use the whole animal than buy meat from factory farms.
 

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Day 1: After receaving the challange I came to the conclusion that I needed to go buy some food because the only things in my fridge that a vegan would not run from were the baking soda and the lightbulb. I could not think of any vegan stores in town so I went to the supermatket and thought "I can figure this out" WRONG!! Holy moley. Nearly everything that I have eaten my whole life had some kind of anamal product in it, I decided to just make a salad, that has to be simple enough. Wrong again I could not for the life of me find any crutons that did not have some kind of butter or cheese in them, we Omnis did not make this shopping thing easy for you did we? I read product labes until my vision got blurry, and finnaly decided on a plain salad, the first salad I have eaten in a decade that was not coverd with either ranch or blue cheese dressing.<br>
Never make the mistake of eating just salad when going cold turkey, our bodies get used to a certain level of disolved protines and fats before they tell our brains that we are full, well long story short I ate a full 3qt bowl of salad and I still felt hungry dispite the fact that I had just consumed about 2.5lbs of greens/tomatos LOL I ate a few Brazil nuts and it took care of the irrational feeling of starvation. That was really weird.<br>
Edit. Yeah I don't really like factory food of any kind. I always perferd wild food, no hormones or antibiodics and I am a crack shot, no anamal I ever harvested sufferd, in fact none have ever made it out of sight. I am not an extreme anamal right activest, but I never saw the need in making any living thing suffer either, that is just stupid/sinful/hatefull/bad karma pick one they all apply. When I watched Earthlings I could not help but think that those guys all needed to go to prision.
 

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Good for you! At least you'll open your eyes to how many slaughterhouse waste is filtered through foods.<br>
Hears a link to animal ingrediants:<br><a href="http://veganwolf.com/animal_ingredients.htm" target="_blank">http://veganwolf.com/animal_ingredients.htm</a><br><br>
Please realize, vegans are not alike! Just like an omnivores diet, it can be healthy, or not healthy. It really takes a lot longer than a week to discover how to successfully eat without consuming animal products. It's that different from what most of us have ever grown up eating.<br>
If you're really into it, track your diet using a site like sparkpeople.com. You need protein sources-beans, lentils, nuts, seeds, tofu, tempeh, seitan. Whole grains, all kinds of veggies, and fruits. Stay away from processed stuff as much as possible. Google the vegan recipe sites<br><a href="http://vegweb.com/" target="_blank">http://vegweb.com/</a><br>
And health concerns:<br><a href="http://veganhealth.org/" target="_blank">http://veganhealth.org/</a><br><br>
Good luck! I hope you have enough success, and/or insight, to continue!<br>
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Thanks for the info <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> I know any diet my take well over a week to notice any difference, I was just stating that I commited to at leased a week as an experement to open my eyes to other counter cultures so to speak. I am fully open to extending that if I don't have any adverse side effects. My main concern with the vegan diet from a nutrition standpoint is the lack of the 8 amino acids that we find almost exclusivly in meat products, I have no ambition of being a body builder but I have always been athletic. The other is the low levels of B12 I have known several people that had to go vegetarian or incorparate fish into their diet because they had continual B12 absorbtion issues.<br>
I have not finnished watching the video yet but I like this Gary Yourofsky guy, I don't know if I agree with him on everything, but he is very well spoken, and he skips the hate propaganda that made me avoid vegans for years.
 

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Many asian dishes have a high chance of being vegan, or are close enough to mimic with ease. Check out some of the ethnic sections at the grocer.
 

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Imma help you win this contest/bet/dare.<br>
List your 7 fave foods (single items or combos) in order of preference, 1-7.<br><br>
EDIT: and at least 2 grocery stores where you would normally shop.
 

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Thanks for the info <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> I know any diet my take well over a week to notice any difference, I was just stating that I commited to at leased a week as an experement to open my eyes to other counter cultures so to speak. I am fully open to extending that if I don't have any adverse side effects. My main concern with the vegan diet from a nutrition standpoint is the lack of the 8 amino acids that we find almost exclusivly in meat products, I have no ambition of being a body builder but I have always been athletic. The other is the low levels of B12 I have known several people that had to go vegetarian or incorparate fish into their diet because they had continual B12 absorbtion issues.<br>
I have not finnished watching the video yet but I like this Gary Yourofsky guy, I don't know if I agree with him on everything, but he is very well spoken, and he skips the hate propaganda that made me avoid vegans for years.</div>
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The essential amino acids are found in plant foods too, dude. There are also plenty of vegan B-12 fortified foods as well as a simple multivitamin or B12 supplement if necessary. Anyway, good luck and I recommend eating more than just salad. I eat vegan versions (typically home made) of pizza, lasagna, spaghetti, chili, stir fri, mac & cheez, bean burgers, brownies, cakes, soups, hot 'wings', burritos, tacos, nachos, just to list several examples of foods you might be familiar with in the animal product eating world - the list goes on and on. If you need any more advice or recipes, feel free to ask.<br><br>
P.S. There are vegan body builders in existence, and there are forums elsewhere on the net just for them. Believing or claiming we aren't able to get enough nutrients (protein, B12) as vegans is a hot button for some.
 

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Favorite foods<br>
1 Rare vinison tenderloin<br>
2 Homemade Chili (with Turkey instead of beef)<br>
3 French Onion Soup (vinison roast not beef)<br>
4 Stir fry.<br>
5 Homemade pizza with spinich/olive sauce.<br>
6 Grilled chicken salad<br>
7 Green apples (my fav snack)<br>
Yes I realize that is alot of meat, and because of that I don't eat them that much I only ate meat about 2-3 times a week. If you had any substatute for any of those meat dishes i would love to give it a try. In case you could not tell from my list I like to cook, nothing canned in my cooking <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
Stores I shop at are<br>
Walmart<br>
Windixie<br>
Not much selection in south Alabama
 

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Since you're just doing this for one week and can't possibly delve deeply into the lifestyle completely, I suggest that you follow a pre-designed meal plan so that you will eat healthily and have some basic guidance for this trial.<br><br>
Here is a link with 6 meal plans you could choose from:<br><a href="http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/meals" target="_blank">http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/meals</a><br>
These meal plans were designed by dieticians (nutrition experts) and contain all the necessary nutrients that the human body needs. This will make your shopping much easier as well.<br><br>
You can also find meal plans in the beginning or end of many vegan cookbooks, for example try <i>The Get Healthy, Go Vegan Cookbook: 125 Easy and Delicious Recipes to Jump-Start Weight Loss and Help You Feel Great</i>. Just head down to the nearest bookstore or library and take a look.<br><br>
Failing that, here are a few very simple meals that you can buy the ingredients for at any store:<br>
- peanut butter and jelly sandwich (for bread, don't worry about ingredients you don't understand just yet - or if you want to worry then just put it on a tortilla or pita)<br>
- bean burrito (buy a can of vegetarian refried beans and put them inside a tortilla with your favorite salsa and a bit of rice)<br>
- vegetable soup (make it yourself or buy a can of vegetarian vegetable soup) and eat it with some crackers, bread, or a salad<br>
- succotash (lima beans, corn, tomatoes or whatever other veggies you like heated in a bit of oil or margarine and spiced up)<br>
- chili (you can usually find a can of vegetarian chili at the grocery store these days)<br><br>
If you find yourself in a pinch and you crave fast food, try:<br>
- taco bell bean burrito fresco style<br>
- subway veggie delight no cheese, no mayo<br>
- carl's jr baked potato no butter sub salsa<br>
- fries at many places are vegan-enough for many vegans<br><br>
Need to go out to eat at a restaurant? Try searching for one here: <a href="http://www.vegguide.org/" target="_blank">http://www.vegguide.org/</a><br><br>
Lastly, this USDA tipsheet for vegetarians (and vegans) should allay any fears of falling over dead from nutritional deficiencies: <a href="http://www.choosemyplate.gov/tipsresources/vegetarian_diets.html" target="_blank">http://www.choosemyplate.gov/tipsres...ian_diets.html</a>
 

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Oh I never said that I had a one week limit, I just made a comitment to follow it completly for a week. Believe it or not I don't think the food itself that is the great obstical, I have always been a huge fan of food like salads, fresh fruit, grains, and nuts. The largest obsticals I see to a long term vegan diet are the price and availablity of the food, I usualy spend less then $40 for two weeks worth of food since I hunt and cook my own and don't eat fast food (except for the occasional subway sandwitch) in contrast my trip to the store today was $110, now in all fairness I don't know didly about cooking my own vegan food, and I am sure as I learn more I will find great dishes that I can cook that don't cost an arm and a leg. My main dishes since getting laid off are my beans and rice, and my soups, If I can work up a tasty meatless beans and rice, and soup that would help a ton. Wish I know some other vegans around here, but it seems that there are not many in the deep south, and the couple I did meet were very rude people <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br>
Edit: Quick question is honey a vegan friendly food? I have heard different views of this but don't know the "offical" stance of the vegan community.
 

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Favorite foods<br>
1 Rare vinison tenderloin<br>
2 Homemade Chili (with Turkey instead of beef)<br>
3 French Onion Soup (vinison roast not beef)<br>
4 Stir fry.<br>
5 Homemade pizza with spinich/olive sauce.<br>
6 Grilled chicken salad<br>
7 Green apples (my fav snack)<br>
Yes I realize that is alot of meat, and because of that I don't eat them that much I only ate meat about 2-3 times a week. If you had any substatute for any of those meat dishes i would love to give it a try. In case you could not tell from my list I like to cook, nothing canned in my cooking <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
Stores I shop at are<br>
Walmart<br>
Windixie<br>
Not much selection in south Alabama</div>
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Buckle up.<br><br>
1. You're <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAHvXAJl8oA" target="_blank">making seitan</a> and marinating it overnight <a href="http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/venison-tenderloin/detail.aspx" target="_blank">in this</a>, to said marinade you will add a tablespoon of whole black peppercorns and a few juniper berries if you can find them. Please tell me you marinate the little deer ...<br><br>
2. Too easy. Hormel Vegetarian Chili, which is actually vegan. It also tastes like the can it comes in, so char some red/green bell peppers, dice those and add them, more diced onion, charred fresh corn, dash of chili powder (I like chipotle, but any medium-dark "Mexican" variety will do in this case), add a squeeze of fresh lime juice, some fresh cilantro, whatever you can find to freshen it up a bit.<br><br>
3. Make onion soup with a carton of vegetable stock or veg stock cube. If veg broth is all that's available, get 2 of those and a few carrots, celery stalks, a small yellow onion. Rough chop the fresh veg, cover with the broth, and let that simmer uncovered till the liquid is reduced by about 1/3. Congrats on making vegetable <b>stock</b>.<br><br><a href="http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/french-onion-soup-recipe/index.html" target="_blank">Alton Brown takes over from here</a>. Don't make this an all-Vidalia deal, though, it's just too sweet. Just remember, olive oil or vegetable oil instead of the butter, your rocking veg stock takes the place of both the beef and chicken liquid, and you're not topping that big crouton with a ginormous slab of cheese.<br><br>
4. Wok, searing heat, peanut oil, throw stuff in. Go nuts.<br><br>
5. Olive sauce, like what's on a muffaletta? Pizza dough is so easy to make. I would roast or grill all veggies before loading them on the dough, drizzle on some more olive oil, fresh herbs, and a little balsamic vinegar. Just skip the cheese.<br><br>
6. I bet WalMart sells Boca Chick'n patties or Nuggets. Fry them till the crust crisps up, slice, instant crispy chick'n.<br><br>
7. Nothing better than natural peanut butter on a green apple.<br><br>
It's one week later and you're still alive. If you're really lucky, you've also located 2 life-altering substances somewhere in your vicinity: Vegenaise and Earth Balance. From Vegenaise is born the world's best vegan ranch dressing/dip/cancer cure, and Earth Balance just makes butter or margarine hang its head in shame.<br><br>
Go collect your loot.
 

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Cool, I will try those out, especaly the soup and the seitan dishes, those sound good. The spinich/olive sauce is pretty simple, spinich, black olives, and pizza sauce in a blender hit the button and presto you have your sauce, make sure to use enough spinich to make the sauce real thick. REALY good stuff, my parents do that instead of topping the pizza with meat and they are not even vegans, though they eat less meat in a week then most Americans eat in a single trip to BurgerKing....well I should probably not call that meat, cows would get offended, more like tainted anamal by-products.
 

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Hi Karoch <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
One tip for you matey ...<br><br>
TVP. Textured Vegetable (Soy) Protein. Available raw (looks like what I think they call "<i>Sheeeee-ite</i>" in Alabama :p) or ready cooked and flavoured as 'Veggie Mince'.<br><br>
Can be used to make anything that the 'great unwashed' would use mechanicaly masticated cow corpse for; Chili-<i>Non</i>-Carni, mince and onion, spag-bol, shepherds pie, keema curry, stuffed tomatoes/peppers/capsicum etc.<br><br>
Trick with the raw stuff is to marinate it heavily with something flavorsome (mushroom ketchup is best) after it has been reconstituted.<br><br>
Trick with both types is to make a sauce by adding tomatoes to quite well browned onions and then cooking the tomatoes untill they are thoroughly broken down and adding the marinated TVP mince to that. For dishes where the tomato base is not appropriate just mix it with very well browned onions alone.<br><br>
If you can find 'ground roasted cumin' add a shot of that to the onions for the last minute, or so, of cooking them for an extra 'meaty' kick.<br><br>
Hope that helps and best of luck!
 

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Edit: Quick question is honey a vegan friendly food? I have heard different views of this but don't know the "offical" stance of the vegan community.</div>
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That's a good question. Honey is an animal product. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> If you can find agave nectar, it's an awesome alternative to honey. You can also use maple syrup or sugar (or a simple syrup made with water and sugar). There are plenty of other sweeteners out there too.
 

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The largest obsticals I see to a long term vegan diet are the price and availablity of the food, I usualy spend less then $40 for two weeks worth of food since I hunt and cook my own and don't eat fast food (except for the occasional subway sandwitch) in contrast my trip to the store today was $110, now in all fairness I don't know didly about cooking my own vegan food, and I am sure as I learn more I will find great dishes that I can cook that don't cost an arm and a leg.</div>
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110$ for one vegan shopping trip is absolutely not the norm! I can easily survive on 40€ for two weeks of vegan food from the supermarket. As you become more familiar with vegan cooking you'll learn ways to be thrifty and to make use of those 20lbs of potatoes that were on sale last week <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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110$ for one vegan shopping trip is absolutely not the norm! I can easily survive on 40€ for two weeks of vegan food from the supermarket. As you become more familiar with vegan cooking you'll learn ways to be thrifty and to make use of those 20lbs of potatoes that were on sale last week <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"></div>
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Yeah I passed up on buying potatos in bulk, I had no idea what to do with them without non-vegan toppings, think about it what are all avarage people taught to put on a baked potato, sour cream, butter, bacon bits, ham, lots of cheese. Come to think of it the only vegan friendly thing I have ever seen on a baked potato are the chives. I did buy a small bag of red potatos to experement with a vegan soup mabey that will turn out good. I was hoping to find rosted soy nuts because I have always loved those and they are not expensive, but it seems that nobody around here carries them anymore <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> Maby I need to go to the feed store, buy a 50lbs bag and roast my own LOL I bet I would not be the first person to do that either.<br>
The debate over honey as I hear it is that dispite being an anamal product no anamals were harmed as a result of its making, and it is a product that bees make in an over abundance because of our dense farming methods, that is one of the more intersting debates I have seen with the vegans because we have to "enslave" the bees anyway otherwise we would not be able to grow food as we do.
 

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Vegans are not alike! I hate TVP, my seitan recipe involves wheat gluten, different spices, wrapping in foil and steaming over water in the oven-no boiling, no rinsing.<br>
I cook a pot of beans once a week. I usually freeze half, and take last weeks frozen half out for variety. Casseroles, burritos, burgers, loaves, soups.<br>
What I'm getting at is, we don't like the same things. No different than if someone raised a vegetarian would say they're going to spend a week being an omni. If they said they hated it at the end, would you feel they had a basis for feeling that way? Or that they could have eaten other foods and had a completely different experience?<br>
I just want to express this sentiment because people say they've tried, and how bad it all was. Or they felt like crap, and had no energy. Vegan foods are every bit as varied as those of an omnivore, both in tastes, and health.<br>
My grocery bills are MUCH lower. Plant protein is cheaper than meat. I realize you hunt, but aren't there costs involved with licenses, butchering, ammo? Are you buying prepared foods now? Another thing to consider is the long shelf life of dried beans, lentils and legumes, and whole grains. Easy to stock up on sales and have when money is tight.<br><br>
Getting things from animals you don't actually NEED is considered wrong by vegans. It's not how many bees die thats considered, it's that honey is their thing, and we don't need it, and shouldn't bother them. One thing I had to get over was killing bugs. I found that simply being more proactive on cleanliness and using things as simple as vinegar to clean, and herbs and flower beds were more effective in keeping them out of the house than poisons. For me, being vegan is a natural evolution for humans. I don't need to run from predators, or hunt because I need more calories and can't stay in one place to farm or forage. B12 is easily available in vegan form.<br>
Look up John Robbins Diet for a New America<br>
Any of Robin Robertsons cookbooks-cause they're easy and general, like Vegan on the Cheap or Vegan Planet.
 
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