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Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this. I was thinking about No Kill shelters today, and of course I prefer them over shelters that DO kill, I see a major problem. People who want to adopt will go to a kill shelter because they know the dogs or cats in the no kill shelter are in no danger of being put to sleep, so all the support goes to the shelters that do kill. Agree or Disagree?
 

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I've thought about this a lot too. I don't know. I feel that if I went to a no-kill shelter (or a pet store) I would be sentencing a dog to death at a regular shelter. But at the same time, I don't want to support a kill shelter.<br><br>
I'm interested to know what people think too.
 

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I think even the pet shelters that do kill care about animals. They really don't have a choice because of money and space. I think thats why no kill shelters are so small
 

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i am pretty lost here. next time i adopt i have no clue where i will go. a. kill shelters where animals have not much chance b. personal ads where animals didn't get into shleters yet or c. non kill shelters where animals have been for years
 

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Some people will only adopt from no kill shelters because they disapprove of kill shelters.<br><br>
IMO, it doesn't make any difference whether you adopt from a kill shelter or a no kill shelter - in either case, you'll be saving a life, because every space that opens at a no kill means they can take another animal in.
 

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Some no kills take animals from kill shelters as well as owner releases.<br><br>
As long as people adopt or rescue instead of buy, it doesn't matter to me which shelter they choose.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Wolfie</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2874308"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Some no kills take animals from kill shelters as well as owner releases.<br><br>
As long as people adopt or rescue instead of buy, it doesn't matter to me which shelter they choose.</div>
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Yes - quite a few no kill shelters will pull animals from kill shelters, especially animals they think have a chance of getting adopted if they have a little more time. Most breed rescues, for example, have a whole network of pounds and kill shelters they pull animals from and try to adopt out. The local Pyr rescue gets calls from shelters all over this state and two other states, when they get a Pyr in.
 

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Yes - quite a few no kill shelters will pull animals from kill shelters, especially animals they think have a chance of getting adopted if they have a little more time.</div>
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This is what the no-kill shelter I used to volunteer at did. So by supporting them, you were supporting the no-kill movement and helping animals that were at the main city kill-shelter...
 

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yes but the kill shelters take in the real problem. it's people irresponsibly neglecting pets in massive numbers. a no kill shelter is a nice theory, but it's just a wisp of fluff floating on top of the cloud. they are too small to really address the problem.<br><br>
what about the animal industry where food animals are raised to provide food for people's pets? is that a no kill shelter too?<br><br>
when you're talking killing or not, what's moral is pretty much whatever you want it to be.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>papayamon</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2874438"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
what about the animal industry where food animals are raised to provide food for people's pets? is that a no kill shelter too?</div>
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don't you already have <a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/showthread.php?123820-companion-animals-that-eat-meat." target="_blank">a whole thread</a> on this?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>zirpkatze</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2874584"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
don't you already have <a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/showthread.php?123820-companion-animals-that-eat-meat." target="_blank">a whole thread</a> on this?</div>
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just pointing out the conflicting moralities. i'm sorry that it upsets you to that this discussion would even allude to animals which you'd give no rights whatsoever. kill vs no kill shelter, it's just a shell game with a ball and a few cups.
 

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just pointing out the conflicting moralities. i'm sorry that it upsets you to that this discussion would even allude to animals which you'd give no rights whatsoever. kill vs no kill shelter, it's just a shell game with a ball and a few cups.</div>
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So do you give your meat-eating kids and other relatives a hard time too, or just people who rescue meat-eating pets?
 

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So do you give your meat-eating kids and other relatives a hard time too, or just people who rescue meat-eating pets?</div>
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i try to dissuade anyone from eating meat, and i try to point out the inherent contradiction in *rescuing* one animal by sacrificing the lives of many others, not to mention that these sacfricial animals often live terrible lives up until they moment they're killed. all talk of kill/don't kill sure assumes a certain amount of "necessary" cruelty. or is it all just vegan strawbery ice cream, with farts that smell like strawberries?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>papayamon</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2875940"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
i try to dissuade anyone from eating meat, and i try to point out the inherent contradiction in *rescuing* one animal by sacrificing the lives of many others, not to mention that these sacfricial animals often live terrible lives up until they moment they're killed. all talk of kill/don't kill sure assumes a certain amount of "necessary" cruelty. or is it all just vegan strawbery ice cream, with farts that smell like strawberries?</div>
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If you feel so strongly that all cats (since those are the only domesticated obligate carnivores) should simply be exterminated, why don't you start a movement to that effect?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Wolfie</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2874308"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Some no kills take animals from kill shelters as well as owner releases.<br><br>
As long as people adopt or rescue instead of buy, it doesn't matter to me which shelter they choose.</div>
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Yes - quite a few no kill shelters will pull animals from kill shelters, especially animals they think have a chance of getting adopted if they have a little more time. Most breed rescues, for example, have a whole network of pounds and kill shelters they pull animals from and try to adopt out. The local Pyr rescue gets calls from shelters all over this state and two other states, when they get a Pyr in.</div>
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I will third these statements. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:">
 

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i'd be willing to start with a law that all cats must be spayed/neutered.</div>
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Cats..............<i>and</i> whiny people who like to high-jack most threads.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>papayamon</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2875940"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
i try to dissuade anyone from eating meat, and i try to point out the inherent contradiction in *rescuing* one animal by sacrificing the lives of many others, not to mention that these sacfricial animals often live terrible lives up until they moment they're killed. all talk of kill/don't kill sure assumes a certain amount of "necessary" cruelty. or is it all just vegan strawbery ice cream, with farts that smell like strawberries?</div>
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you talk a whole lot about this. are you involved in any sort of spay/neuter program? that's the only viable way i can see to reduce the number of cats and dogs alive without mass euthanasia. mass euthanasia is not going to happen
 
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