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I have gone on and off with lacto-ovo vegetarianism since I was age 12! (I am 35 now.) Raised by meat-lovers on a farm, I am vegetarian for ethical reasons. I can go months without meat, but I gradually will really really crave it for weeks at a time -- so much so, that I will eventually look at a cow and want to kill it myself. I feel like that lion in the Madagascar movie -- not wanting to see his friend the zebra as meat but so hungry he does in spite of himself.<br><br><br><br>
I know all about nutrition and have tried eating super-healthy, taking B12, vitamins, flax, and so forth, but the outcome after a few months is always the same: gradually intensifying red meat cravings, giving in, feeling better physically but like a failure emotionally. I've gone to the doctor for this and had my iron tested, and so forth. The only "abnormal" finding is that my cholesterol is low (anywhere from 120-145). My father eats meat 2 times a day and has perfect cholesterol; I apparently have good cholesterol genes. I also note that if I don't "give in" to my meat cravings, I will slowly gain weight. Once I was vegetarian for 7 years straight, gradually gaining weight and exercising on my "healthy" low-fat vegetarian diet. Out of sheer frustration, I finally gave it all up, stopped exercising and ate meat again -- and spontaneously dropped 25 lbs without trying, which had never happened before. There is something weird about my body. The Blood Type Diet (I'm Type O) has been widely discredited, but it certainly has an intuitive appeal to me as a possible type of explanation.<br><br><br><br>
I realize that many of you on these boards have been very successful on a vegetarian or even vegan diet for many years. Are any of you slender with Type 0 bloodtype? Anyone else know problem vegetarians who cured themselves (without putting dead animals in their mouths)? If so, how did they/you do it? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/help.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":help:">
 

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I can't really think of any particular reason that you would have these problems. But I wanted to say that I am O+ bloodtype and 5'4" and around 114lbs, which is slenderish. I'm doing fine on a veggie diet.<br><br>
Does your diet change drastically when you go vegetarian? I wouldn't normally say this to people, but perhaps you would find it easier if your veggie diet mimicked your higher-fat, higher-protein omni one. I have read of some people who didn't do well on veggie diets until they tried a high protein (do not get confused with low carb!) diets.
 

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I can't really think of any particular reason that you would have these problems. But I wanted to say that I am O+ bloodtype and 5'4" and around 114lbs, which is slenderish. I'm doing fine on a veggie diet.<br><br>
Does your diet change drastically when you go vegetarian? I wouldn't normally say this to people, but perhaps you would find it easier if your veggie diet mimicked your higher-fat, higher-protein omni one. I have read of some people who didn't do well on veggie diets until they tried a high protein (do not get confused with low carb!) diets.</div>
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That's a great weight--How long have you been vegetarian? No, my diet doesn't change much when I give into my steak cravings. I just add red meat to my diet for a week or two and then go back to being vegetarian again (usually for a couple of months). I tend to not think it's the protein issue because I get plenty from milk and eggs and cheese as a vegetarian (plus beans, nut butters, etc.) However, I will try going "high protein" for a few months and see if that helps. Thanks for the suggestion.
 

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I was going to say something similar to Isowish.<br><br>
Who knows what it is in the meat.<br><br><br><br>
I wanted to applaud you on your efffort though. I imagine it would be much harder to stay veg if I craved meat, so kudos to you, and good luck with everything!
 

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That's a great weight--How long have you been vegetarian? No, my diet doesn't change much when I give into my steak cravings. I just add red meat to my diet for a week or two and then go back to being vegetarian again (usually for a couple of months). I tend to not think it's the protein issue because I get plenty from milk and eggs and cheese as a vegetarian (plus beans, nut butters, etc.) However, I will try going "high protein" for a few months and see if that helps. Thanks for the suggestion.</div>
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I've been vegan for about 4 months. Lacto-ovo for about two years before that. Pescatarian (eating fish very rarely, probably less than once a month) for about 2 years before that.<br><br>
I wasn't suggesting you don't get ENOUGH protein, I was just wondering if your 'optimum' protein needs might be higher than other people's. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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i'm type o and i have low cholesterol genetically. it is what eventually moved me away from vegan to vegetarian (unfortunately).<br><br><br><br>
I'll give you friday's schedule:<br><br><br><br>
breakfast: smoothie of mixed berries, macedemia nut cream and coconut cream (coconut meat plus milk blended).<br><br><br><br>
snack: apple and nuts<br><br><br><br>
lunch: cheese quesodilla--whole grain sprouted tortilla, cheese (full fat, raw organic cheese--raw means unpasturized), red and orange bell peppers, onions, guacamole, and salsa.<br><br><br><br>
snack: fresh broccoli and cauliflower with hummus dip<br><br><br><br>
dinner: two scrambled eggs, three servings of mixed steamed vegetables (peppers, green beans, carrots, broccoli, cauliflower, mushrooms).<br><br><br><br>
snack--typically i have some evening snack, but i didn't on friday. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
as you can see, i eat a lot of fat. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> but, i'm ok with that. i am very thin. i do not eat a whole lot of breads and grains--not my thing--but i do eat them about 2-3 times a week (breads that is)--i do eat beans more often and whole grains (quinoa etc) about 2-3 times a week.<br><br><br><br>
i like it. i guess it's a 'low carb' diet technically. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> or something.<br><br><br><br>
---oh yeah and i've been vegetarian for about 8 years or so, i was vegan for about 5 of those years. i have no concept of time. but it's about that vegan for 5, vegetarian for the last 2 almost 3.
 

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I can't say anything that anyone else hasn't said, so I just wanted to add that I'm type O and 4'11" and about 90 lbs. I actually have trouble keeping weight on. My optimum weight is 95 lbs, but I'm usually closer to 85. My weight issues haven't changed at all since going vegetarian, although I've only been one for seven months. I like the idea of piling on the protein. Do you eat a lot of fake meats? The similar taste might help with the cravings.
 

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kaod, what really helped me was read about why meat and dairy is no good. it really scared me into going vegan(not that thats a bad thing<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/cool3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":cool:"> ). read some books like "Diet for a New America", "Slaughterhouse", and especially "The china Study". also this is slightly off topic but in china, the average cholesterol is 127 and the highs being around 170 and in some areas of china its 80, while the "safe" zone for america is like 170-180.
 

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I am a type O, as well, and like Iria, tend to drop weight more easily than gain. I can't think of anything else to add, though, your situation is quite strange!
 

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the china study, btw, is hotly refuted in scientific circles.</div>
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Yes, I've read Slaughterhouse by Gail Eisnitz (spelling?) at the Humane Farm Association (truly excellent book!) and about the China Study (I didn't know it had been refuted though, thanks for the info). I am aware how much suffering is involved with even free-range, organic milk and eggs, but since I cannot seem to go without red meat on occassion, I haven't gone more than a day or two at a time without some lacto-ovo. If I could feel good physically without any animal products, I would definitely go vegan. I guess that's why I'm seeking advice here.<br><br><br><br>
I have been reflecting back on my teen experiences with being vegetarian and do recall that I didn't start craving meat until after about 4 years into being a lacto-ovo vegetarian. It got really bad when I was pregnant. I've heard that it takes years to deplete B12 stores, so that's one hypothesis. But since I was still eating milk and eggs and didn't have any detectible B12 deficiency (at my worst/heaviest--I was also having some other weird symptons like frequent lightheadedness and breathlessness) then I presume B12 wasn't the culprit. Also, I don't crave chicken or turkey, which contain B12 -- it's definitely red meat.<br><br><br><br>
I've read a lot about nutrition (gosh, there is so much contradictory and weird nutrition information online). One thing I read that interested me was that some people of Scandinavian descent (which I am) lack something to convert B12 from non-animal sources or some other weird such thing. I cannot remember exactly what it was, and I went back and looked for it again and couldn't locate it. I'm guessing some odd metabolic gene(s) is at work here. I don't think this is "all in my head" because it's been the same patterns over almost 20 years now: vegetarian for a while, cravings that escalate to meat consumption, feeling better a couple of weeks after meat consumption, vegetarian for a while, until it starts all over again. When I've ignored the cravings for prolonged periods, I've gotten sluggish eventually and slowly gained weight.<br><br><br><br>
There seems to be so much variation in individual nutrition metabolism (for example, milk seems to deplete calcium from the bones of some ethnic peoples and enhance bone strength in others, eating cholesterol contributes to heart disease in some, not in others, etc...). I was just hoping someone could relate and say, "Yeah, I used to crave red meat like crazy until I took Supplement [whatever] or ate more {X}." or "Yeah, I knew someone else just like you." Thanks especially to all the Blood Type Os who have responded -- apparently the Blood Type Diet is discredited for good reason. I'll try some more fat and protein in general and hope it helps. I don't tend to eat meat substitutes because of the controversy over soy and the MSG and other additives those foods frequently contain.<br><br><br><br>
Thanks for not laying into me for being a "bad" vegetarian wannabe. I am truly vegetarian for long periods until it gets so bad that I break down and eat beef. I just want to stop the cycle.
 

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Not sure I can add too much, but I'm type O+, 5'9" and 135(+/-5 I fluctuate a lot) lbs. I am vegan and have been for 3 years.<br><br><br><br>
I've always been rather skinny, when I came to college at age 18, I was 5'9" and ~110lbs. But have since stabalized at around 140 lbs. I became sedentary (but I was eating lots of meat and animal products at the time) for about 6 months and slowly crept up to 170lbs, but I moved and went back to bike riding as my primary mode of transportation and lost that weight quickly. In general I lose quicker and easier than gain weight.<br><br><br><br>
People always comment how skinny I am and say I need to eat more. When they're around me more and see that I usually eat more than they do at meals, and snack all day, they're surprised. But I've always been like that (still am) with the amount of food.<br><br><br><br>
Before becoming vegan I weighed around 145 lbs. For the first six months of becoming vegan I had horrible cravings for meat and eggs and milk, then for the next 6 months the cravings slowly subsided, but the smell would trigger the cravings. Sometime shortly after the first year, my cravings mostly stopped, and the smell of those food makes me feel pretty ill. I don't get cravings for red meat at all (although I used to be a really big fan of just about any type of animal flesh), but sometimes (pretty rare) I get cravings for pig products, eggs, or fish. The smell of any of it though makes me feel pretty ill. The videos and movies about the suffering of animals helped a lot with the mental aspect of the cravings, I think.<br><br><br><br>
Anymore, when I start to feel cravings of any kind, I just start eating lots of variety. Like eating some of every nut we have in the house, I eat dulse (I don't know, but I like the taste...), all the dried fruits, any fruits in the fridge and any veggies I can eat fresh. I used to ocasionally buy the soy protein mix drinks (I'm trying not to now cause of cost) and I'd mix it with rice milk. My cravings would always go away after all that. Although now I've developed a craving for that darn soy protein mix drinks... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br><br><br>
My diet now tends to focus on rice, quinoa, and other grains (usually in the form of whole wheat bread or multigrain bread), beans, and potatoes. With lots of variety and quantity of veggies and fruit. I'm trying to avoid boxed foods and heavily processed foods.<br><br><br><br>
Oh and another thing I found through out my life was that whenever I took a multivitamin I tended to gain weight. I've read stuff about getting too much with vitamins and most of the vitamins in multivitamins just get flushed out, so I tend to take them rarely (maybe once a week rather than daily but sometimes I forget that). And only when I get up the energy and desire to go spend the extra money on them. I actually haven't taken any multivitamin until the last month of being a vegan.<br><br><br><br>
Not sure if there's any information to help you. I can elaborate more, but so far this seems a little long. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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You might want to try losing weight by going on the low carb vegetarian diet (book by Rose Elliot)<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&tag=veggieboards.com-20&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.co.uk%2FVegetarian-Low-carb-Diet-Weightloss-Vegetarians%2Fdp%2F0749925841" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vegetarian-L.../dp/0749925841</a>.<br><br>
I'm type O+ and have a healthy BMI. I never get any meat cravings, in fact it rather disgusts me, I never crave milk anymore, but have the occaisional egg craving I never act on. I remind myself why I did this. Perhaps googling for vids or info might help you get over a craving, reminding yourself why you are doing this?<br><br><br><br>
If you want to avoid soy maybe subs like seitan(wheat based) might help?
 

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i'm scandinavian too!<br><br><br><br>
typically, we're unable to create certain fats from plant based efa's, convert beta carotene into vitamin A effectively, etc.<br><br><br><br>
did you or do you feel anemic? consider cooking with iron skillets/pans. many people crave red meat because they crave iron. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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zoebird im VERY interested to read why the china study is "hotly refuted in the scientific circles". could you please post some links or books to read so i can read why?
 

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zoebird im VERY interested to read why the china study is "hotly refuted in the scientific circles". could you please post some links or books to read so i can read why?</div>
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There is an article by Dr. Campbell on vegsource.com in which he counters the supposed refuting comments.... Hope that helps!
 

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I am O+ but I do several things differently, because I want to be healthy. First, I do eat lots of veggies and fruits. I've cut out simple sugars and eat whole grain stuff instead. I work out six days a week and I don't eat 2-3 hours before bedtime. I have lost 30 pounds in the last year, and I've been vegetarian for six years. I am now 107 lbs. at 5'4". I allow myself sweets and "junk" food when I really want it, but very much in moderation.
 

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I'm type O, vegetarian for 12 years, eat a mostly vegan diet, 5'4 and 131 lbs. Painfully average <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
However, my cholesterol is sky high. All if it.. total, good, and bad. I exercise, eat oatmeal, have close to 0 dietary cholesterol. Doctors don't know what to do with me. :p
 

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Sometimes when people eat vegetarian diet, they overdo dairy products and carbohydrate foods. This could be why you gain weight when you eat vegetarian and it could be why you're craving the red meat--for the iron. The extra carbohydrate foods and the extra dairy are typically low in iron.<br><br><br><br>
Try to up your vegetable intake, especially of green leafy vegetables and focus more on whole grain foods (it helps me to measure my carb portions in a rice bowl--the max is two rice bowl servings at a meal). For those red meat cravings, try mock meats or preparing mock meats, tofu, and seitan with the same marinades and spices that you do the red meat. Eating the same side dishes could help, too.<br><br><br><br>
Soy isn't that bad as bad for you as some of those websites make it out to be (nor is it as good as some make it out to be)--all things in moderation .
 
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