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There are political, religious and philosophical reasons for pursuing a vegetarian diet, but do they apply to our nonvegetarian companion animals? To my knowledge, no spirtual or religious leader has ever suggested that dogs or cats be deprived of meat.<br><br>
It is true that dogs and cats can survive on vegetarian fare, but do they thrive? The supplements that would make the most difference for vegetarian cats and dogs - bone meal, glandular concentrates, fish oils etc. come from animal sources and are therefore inapropriate. It is a dilemma.<br><br>
When all is said and done though, love is probably the most important ingredient in ANY animal's life.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":love:">
 

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There are political, religious and philosophical reasons for pursuing a vegetarian diet, but do they apply to our nonvegetarian companion animals?</div>
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I'm not sure why those reasons couldn't apply. What is the difference between contributing to cruelty by purchasing the flesh for ourselves or for our companion animals?<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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When all is said and done though, love is probably the most important ingredient in ANY animal's life.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":love:"></div>
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Agreed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:">
 

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I highly support putting a dog on a vegetarian diet for ethical and enviromental reasons.<br><br>
Next there's been good solid proof that dogs can thrive being vegetarian, yes it's not natural, but then I feel the positive benifits it brings outweights that.<br><br><br><br>
I would feel differently about any animals who may not thrive without meat such as cats. This is indeed a dilema for me since I like cats.<br><br><br><br>
Another issue is that carnivore companion animal food from animal by products is produced whether it is purchased or not as long as animals are being killed for human consumption. Course I suppose the same thing could be said for leather, hmmm.
 

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There are political, religious and philosophical reasons for pursuing a vegetarian diet, but do they apply to our nonvegetarian companion animals?</div>
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One day, I sat down with my cat and tried to explain to her about slaughterhouses and the plight of animals destined for her cat food. She just looked at me and did a tail dance until I fed her.<br><br>
The point? Our pets do not have the same reasoning faculties that we do, they aren't troubled by philosophical issues when it comes to their food. Personally, I'd rather not force my views regarding food on the animals who share my house.<br><br>
While pet foods have a whole lot of scary stuff put in them, there are alternatives to feeding a carnivore a vegetarian diet. Feeding a BARF diet gives you more control over the type of meat that's given to your pet, you can see to it that it comes from a local farm that treats their animals humanely. There are also kibbles out there that are careful about where the meat sources come from.<br><br>
Heck, if feeding a carnivorus pet meat bothers you, getting a naturally vegetarian pet is a great option. There's a lot of guinea pigs in rescue that are waiting for loving homes.<br><br><br><br>
Personally? I feed both my cats a meat based diet. Yes, it's a kibble. No, I don't like feeding kibble (although it is grain free) but it's the highest quality food that I can give them right now. And I mentally send out a sincere thank you to the animals who died for it. I just don't feel justified in telling my cats that they can't have something that their bodies were designed to eat.
 

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One day, I sat down with my cat and tried to explain to her about slaughterhouses and the plight of animals destined for her cat food. She just looked at me and did a tail dance until I fed her.<br><br>
The point? Our pets do not have the same reasoning faculties that we do, they aren't troubled by philosophical issues when it comes to their food. Personally, I'd rather not force my views regarding food on the animals who share my house.</div>
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According to this, there would be no reason to raise our children as veg*ns. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thinking.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":think:">
 

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According to this, there would be no reason to raise our children as veg*ns. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thinking.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":think:"></div>
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...except as children grow, they develop the ability to reason, question, etc...<br><br><br><br>
pets do not equal children.<br><br><br><br>
I'm all for raising children veg*n (plan on doing it with my children), I just don't agree that I should feed my (future) dog, or my cats veg*n just because I am.
 

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I don't beleive feeding a dog or cat a vegetarian diet it the right thing to do for any obligated carnivore or meat-needing animals when it completely jepordizes the animals health. Dogs and cats CANNOT digest their protein from plant sources. Both cats and dogs do not have the ability to digest and breakdown vegetables for their nutrients.<br><br><br><br>
I can say form complete experience i have never met a healthy looking dog that has been fed a vegetable only diet. And a cat, being an obligated carnivore, would just die from eating nothign but vegetables. How that dog lived is a complete miracle but don't expect every dog to do that. Just like humans every dog is different and maybe that dog could survive on vegetables ,but i don't think any other dog could. This applies to many breeds(especially ones that use alot of energy).<br><br><br><br>
If you feel that you don't want to feed horribly treated animals to your animal then why not go for organic brands? There are many many brands of dog foods now that use organic chickens. These companies are small so you can trust they can use organic chicken(i know for companies like iams organic chicken would be ridiculous, and you'd know they'd be lying). These brands are not cheap, but they are better than feeding any soy-based or cheap chicken-based dog foods.<br><br><br><br>
If you want to control what animal you feed your dog or cat, and you want to make sure the animal was well treated, why not feed raw? Raw(or BARF) feeding allows you to choose what chickens, or cows, or bison, or rabbit, ect. ect. goes into the dogs system. And you can make sure the animal has been well treated. But please before anyone ventures into feeding raw or barf do all the research you can so the animal gets all it needs.<br><br><br><br>
It is completely natural and healthy for an animal to eat meat. Humans can thrive without meat because we are able to understand what we need and get it from other sources, our bodies are versitle and can adapt to alot of things. Our bodies are able to digest and get nutrients from both vegetables and meat. Dogs and cats cannot digest vegetables the way we do.<br><br><br><br>
Just think of where dogs came from. they came from wolves and wolves are complete carnivores. They get their other nutrients needs from the stomach of the animal they have caught(meaning it is already digested). You can argue that dogs have evolved to be different but the fact remains the same that dogs eat meat naturally. (Look at our teeth and then look at your dog or cats teeth. Our teeth are flat and mostly meant to eat vegetables. dogs and cats teeth are sharp and they have large canines. They are designed to eat meat.)<br><br><br><br>
Yes, there are suppliments, but why would you feed artificial suppliments to your animals? Is that really the best to their health? I'm sure you woudln't want to feed your children jsut suppliments so they could get their dailey nutrients needs. You would want to feed your children all natural things so they can get the vitamins and nutrients naturally, not artificially.<br><br><br><br>
Jut like posted above a cat NEEDS meat as well because it needs something particular(forgive, i forgot what it was spacificially) that only meat has. So even if you were to get a suppliment i would question where they got this particular vitamin because if they say its from all veg source i would say they are lying. And if you are going to feed a suppliment that has an animal product in it why not jsut feed a all-natural organic diet that has real meat?<br><br><br><br>
I agree that if feeding meat bothers you why not get a vegetable eating animal? I know rats need only minimal amounts of protein as well(which can be a vegetable source).<br><br><br><br>
There is no reason to drag your animal into your opinion and veiws. Animals deserve the best and the best is not feeding them a vegetarian diet because of what you beleive in. To me that's greedy.<br><br><br><br>
I hope i explained myself well and sorry if i respeated myself. I'm not the gresteast person in argueing ,but i feel this is an important point to get across. In the end research your descision. Please Don't just say 'because i am vegan my animal will be to'. With research i found the absolute best diet to feed a dog or cat(or any carnviore animal) was meat-based. If you do find anything that says feeding a vegetarian-based diet is good look at your source. Try to find unbias research and facts.
 

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I don't see how raising children as vegetarian compares to dogs and cats.<br><br>
Dogs and cats have a natural need?/ requirement? for meat that we don't have.
 

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I've researched the vegan cat issue a lot (I don't have dogs so I'm not sure about them) and have come to the conclusion that trying to feed my kitties a vegan diet would be the equivalent to experimenting on them and I'm not willing to do that. Here are some good links:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.animalvoices.ca/shows/vegan_pets" target="_blank">http://www.animalvoices.ca/shows/vegan_pets</a> - Listen the MP3s, very enlightening<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.vegancats.com/pages/1007/FAQ.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vegancats.com/pages/1007/FAQ.htm</a>
 

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My dog has been vegan for approximately 2 years now. She got a complete bloodwork done over the summer that proves she is perfectly healthy. She is an ideal weight and is very active and playful. She is proof that dogs can be healthy vegans.
 

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I would never consider feeding my cats vegetarian or vegan diets..I dont know about dogs though, Ive never had one.<br><br><br><br>
To me its not something I think about, I dont let it bother me. My cat is happy and healthy as is.
 

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My friend's dog has been on a vegan diet for a couple years and is very healthy and active. I think dogs can be vegetarian or vegan just fine for the most part, although I leave room for the possibility that it may not be the ideal diet for SOME of them.<br><br><br><br>
Cats, I am not sure about. Another friend has been feeding her cats a vegan diet for several months. I think it's likely possible for cats to be healthy as vegans also, but that one particular brand of vegan cat food that is out there was not nutritionally complete and did for a fact damage quite a few cats' health. This is not what my friend feeds her cats.<br><br><br><br>
My cats are not vegans, we feed them a (expensive!) holistic formula. If a few years down the road there was ample evidence of thriving vegan cats, I would consider switching for sure.<br><br><br><br>
My rabbit is a vegan, except for when she tries to eat the cat's food. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:">
 

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My dog has been vegan for approximately 2 years now. She got a complete bloodwork done over the summer that proves she is perfectly healthy. She is an ideal weight and is very active and playful. She is proof that dogs can be healthy vegans.</div>
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Is it possible for me to see a picture of her?<br><br>
I don't mean to sound attacking, but what do you consider healthy? I know lots of people have different opinions on healthy and what i would consider an unhealthy and jsut plain sick looking dog, someone would consider them fine. Ideal weight and active and bloodwork doesn't mean she's healthy all around. I know lots of dogs that are ideal weight, active, and have good bloodwork and are fed nothing but crap.<br><br><br><br>
Again, this is just to give me a better idea on things because in my experience i've never seen a healthy looking dog fed only on veggies and carbs. This isn't meant to sound attacking or anything of that sort, please forgive me if it does.<br><br><br><br>
Is her coat shiny and thick(or healthy in the fur department if she has different kind of fur)? How active is she exactly(dogs can be active on tons of carbs and veggies ,but meat to me gives them a different kind of energy ones thats more natural to their system and not just a sugarrush from carbs).?What breed of dog is she? And what do you feed her exactly as part of her vegan diet(Is tofu involved, beans, or is it just for example rice and veggies)?<br><br><br><br>
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I don't beleive feeding a dog or cat a vegetarian diet it the right thing to do for any obligated carnivore or meat-needing animals when it completely jepordizes the animals health. Dogs and cats CANNOT digest their protein from plant sources.</div>
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Dogs are omnivores, not obligate carnivores. Dogs don't need meat any more than humans do.
 

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Dogs are omnivores, not obligate carnivores. Dogs don't need meat any more than humans do.</div>
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i said obligated carnivores or meat-needing animals. I am aware dogs are omnivores ,but they still require a certain amount of protein in their diet. I want unbiased sceintific proof dogs can get their daily amount of protein from veggies or a vegan diet.
 

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i said obligated carnivores or meat-needing animals. I am aware dogs are omnivores ,but they still require a certain amount of protein in their diet. I want unbiased scientific proof dogs can get their daily amount of protein from veggies or a vegan diet.</div>
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I'm not sure where there's a good link. But, dogs/wolves are <b>true omnivores</b>. People are <b>not</b>!<br><br><br><br>
In the past 5-10 years, it's become clear that labels like herbivore, omnivore, and carnivore are as accurate as saying that it's "hot or cold" outside. In fact, many species have mixed qualities. Primates (people) are a good example. We're herbivore by just about metric, but humans (and chimps) we "can" eat some meat and have a *limited* amount of meat in a diet. So, humans and chimps are now considered <span style="text-decoration:underline;">mainly</span> herbivore with _limited_ carnivore abilities.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Dogs/wolves are different. They are about as true to being a "classic" omnivore as there is. They can live *fine* on a 100% herbivore or a 100% carnivore diet.<br><br><br><br>
Cats/felines are on the extreme end of the carnivore spectrum. Having a cat on a herbivore is risky. Also, as an AR person, *I* have to ask if it's *right* to have a cat on a diet which is *not* natural to it's species. For *me*, the answer is no.
 
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