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I apologize if this thread's been done before. Since joining VB last month, I've noticed that a lot of you have -- if not negative -- then at least reserved opinions about PETA. I guess I didn't realize that there were so many middle-of-the-road veg*ns (like myself, pretty much).

Personally I really don't know that much about PETA; some things I've heard strike me as very positive, others the reverse.

I'd just like to hear what you all think about this organization: the good, bad, ugly, beautiful, whatever. Thanks.
 

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Hmm.. I like PETA. They can get a bit pushy at times but overall they do have a lot of great info about activism, the meat industry, vegan/vegetarianism, etc..

Overall, I can't say that I have any bad issues with them
 

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PETA offends and disgusts me. They are all for proganda and shock, not properly researched information. And I *hate* how they project American laws and standards to the rest of the world. Yes, because if the US does it, then surely everyone else does.

I do, however, like their naked campaign. And I liked the one where they had the actress' body divided up with a marker into cuts of meat ("rump" was written on her butt, "ribs" down her side, etc). That was actually brilliant, although most people just think it's an excuse to show naked women and not get the point behind it.

To me, they give anyone who care about animals a bad name.
 

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PETA sucks. They should change their name to mean Posers Endorsements Trivializes Animals. I hate when people think that because I'm vegan, I'm part of PETA.
 

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Yes, this thread has been done before.

Let me try to summarize some of the major points of past threads. One is that my veg organization is 75 percent or more women. PETA's ads are widely viewed as sexist and offensive to women. So why risk offending a substantial part of the veg constituency to promote or support PETA? "Let's just keep our distance from them" seems to be the moral of that story, as far as my group is concerned.

PETA seems to be a dictatorship run by Ingrid Newkirk. She does not consult with the "membership" before making decisions, and only rarely pulls offensive ads after the members complain.

Many of the PETA campaigns are cruelly indifferent to the suffering of others, e.g., the "Got prostate cancer?" anti-Rudy Giuliani ad. This does not promote the idea of veg*ns as people of compassion, and feeds into the negative stereotype that veg*ns care about non-human animals instead of/more than their fellow human beings.

Not everything PETA does is bad. But it does enough bad things that I would not want to be affiliated with it or have to try to defend it.
 

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And I liked the one where they had the actress' body divided up with a marker into cuts of meat ("rump" was written on her butt, "ribs" down her side, etc). That was actually brilliant, although most people just think it's an excuse to show naked women and not get the point behind it.
I agree - that was actually quite brilliant. It is probably the ONLY thing I've seen from PETA where naked people were involved that I approved of - because it actually required some thinking.

The naked campaigns do bug me though. Especially the lettuce bikinis. I think they're stupid.

I wish they'd spend their $$$ on public education rather than shock campaigns & trying to offend people so that they can get their name out. They use controversy as their marketing tactic, and I don't agree with that as a long-term, successful approach.

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Well said, Joe.

Peta does do a great job of creating propaganda aimed at teens and pre-teens to spread the message of animal rights and veganism. I am only aware of their publications because my school library carries them, but they are awesome.
 

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PETA offends and disgusts me. ...

I do, however, like their naked campaign. And I liked the one where they had the actress' body divided up with a marker into cuts of meat ("rump" was written on her butt, "ribs" down her side, etc). That was actually brilliant, although most people just think it's an excuse to show naked women and not get the point behind it.

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Just wanted to be sure that you knew that the "meat cuts" ad was not PETA's original idea. That illustration/image appears on the cover of Carol Adams' book The Sexual Politics of Meat (1990/91).

See this book review:

http://www.ivu.org/books/reviews/sex...s-of-meat.html

Adams has also criticized PETA's "go naked" campaign.

PETA and a Pornographic Culture, II

A Feminist Analysis of "I'd rather go naked than wear fur"

by Carol Adams


http://www.farinc.org/newsletter/v8_...petaporn2.html

See also this editorial by Feminists for Animal Rights (FAR):

http://www.farinc.org/newsletter/v8_...editorial.html
 

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I guess my biggest issue with PETA is that they seem more concerned with the shock value then with actually helping the animals. The "holocaust on your plate" ad seemed a bit much especially when they had pictures of actual holocause survivors along with the animals. I am not trying to make light of animal suffering as it is a very important issue with me. However I feel that PETA in their quest to constantly find the most shocking images possible - alienates a lot of people who would be all for the AR cause. I think that when people think of PETA, they think of vegeterian/vegan nazis and it turns them off from the whole cause.
 

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I love PETA.

But I'm short on time, so I won't get into the reasons why. You can go to their website and click on "about PETA" to see why I support them and feel they are the best and most effective animal welfare organization around. Read their Annual Review and the "PETA victories" page.
 

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I support PETA.

I love Ingrid N. because she's a pragmatist, without ever losing focus. That's great leadership skills.

Sexist and offensive to women: see kristadb. She finds everything BUT their "sexist" campaign offensive. Besides PETA is run by a woman. Check the article about her that was posted here for what she says about this point.

Many people misunderstand what PETA is. It's not "your" animal welfare organization where you join and you get to vote what to do next. It's a private organization, not a democracy. You can support them or not. You can also found your own of course!

E.g., kraftykraft, PETA was created to shock, to change, to wake up, and not to "actually help animals" (if you mean things like running animal shelters and such.).

But, just like kpickell, I have to run too now! I'll check back on this thread later! Have fun kids...
 

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Originally posted by veganinohio

Well said, Joe.

Peta does do a great job of creating propaganda aimed at teens and pre-teens to spread the message of animal rights and veganism. I am only aware of their publications because my school library carries them, but they are awesome.
Although I overall am an anti-PETA person, this is one area where they are strong. The stuff that offends the majority of adults is quite appealing to youth- a fertile audience.

The other thing I like about them is that they have a very comprehensive and well maintained website. I use it to retrieve information on all kinds of things all of the time. Need a list of a certain circus'violations, they have it, need the address of someone involved in some obscure ar controversy, they have it.
 

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I find the PETA campaigns offensive. The unhappy meal campaign is disgusting, IMO, and the holocaust campaign is possibly the sickest thing I've seen since Matthew Pritchard and Lee Dainton started making videos of themselves.

I honestly believe that PETA's in-your-face antics put people off becoming vegetarian, as they associate negative activism with vegetarianism. That is why I oppose PETA.

I truly believe that PETA isn't a worthwhile charity. Instead, I encourage you to donate to my own charitable organisation, which i have set up. This organisation is called Loki's Beer Fund. I believe that a donation to LBF is more worthy of PETA money. Here's why:

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

Little or no money spent on direct help for animals

Conveys negative stereotypes of veg*ns as raving extremists

Harasses individuals by handing out "unhappy meals" and being loud and belligerent during protests

Money donated is spent mainly on shocking advertising campaigns or donated to "terrorist" groups

Loki's Beer Fund

Little or no money spent on direct help for animals

Conveys negative stereotypes of veg*ns as raving drunks

Harasses individuals by antisocial drunken behaviour and being loud and belligerent during boozing sessions

Money donated is spent mainly on beer or donated to the jack daniels company.

So next time you think about donating to PETA, think instead about funding the drunken antics of a British student who isn't prince harry. I find it to be a more worthwhile cause. Send all donations to:

Loki's Beer Fund,

Behind the pipes,

Third cubicle along

Winter gardens public toilets (male)

Blackpool, Lancashire, England.


And just for the record, that is a better method to promote veg*nism - By being a sociable veg*n! Then people will start to see that the stereotypes of hippy-ish hermits aren't true, and they'll be more interested in being veg*n. That's why I think LBF is more successful at promoting veg*nism than PETA.
 

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What Peta does mainly, is showing things from different perspectives and angles.

Peta neither killed the 6 billion Jews, nor does it slaughter the 50 billion animals a year. It's "us", the oh so easily offended society that does such things. So I figure as long as it is done in a "not offensive" way, it's OK with "us", whatever it is. We're more interested in being not offended, than in looking at things from as many different angles as possible, and finding out the truth.

How can the truth be offensive? How can pictures of the Holocaust be offensive? I'm disgusted perhaps, but I'm not offended when I look at them, I'm not offended by the person who shows them to me. In fact, I want everyone else too to take a long and hard look at them so as not to forget what happened all too quickly. Same goes for images of slaughterhouses.

Similarly, I cannot be offended by anyone making connections, comparisons or is arguing for his POV. All I hear is that it's "sick". How can a comparison be "sick"? I'm sorry, I don't get it. A comparison can be either apt, or false. The Holocaust is sick. Slaughterhouses are sick. Finding similarities between them is... a thinking process. At the end of it there will be an insight, a better understanding.

Peta doesn't offend us, they're not the cruel ones. Our own actions offend us, it's US who commit the cruelties. Peta only holds up the mirror for us in a different angle than we do it for ourselves.

It's not the mirror that is vain, it's the person looking into it. It's not Peta who are the posers, it's US. We're so in love with our image in the mirror (held in our own way) - it almost paralyzes us. We have the tendency just to stare at it and never to change anything, never to tilt the mirror even one little bit.

Let Peta tilt and shake the mirror. If we're completely "clean", we don't have to fear anything, we will only see our beautifully clean skin. But as long as there's dirt on our face somewhere, any mirror-tilting can only benefit us.

Couple more points:

- Peta is not a charity

- Peta is not an organization to promote veganism (the lifestyle), it's an organization to stop animal cruelty.

Many people are disappointed by Peta, because they imagine things into it, which it is not. Take it as it is.

p.s. even in this thread, there is gross disagreement among the critics. Are Peta campaigns well researched or poor researched? IMO, Peta definitely does their research, every time. Is the naked campaign sexist or ingenious?
 

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Okay...

The thing that ticks me off about Peta most is when they go on stupid campaigns that not only do no good for the animals but just make the Vegan movemetn look retarded...

Like when they tried to get Fishkill, Catskills, and Hamburg, NY to change their names... (Is there a reason that they tend to pick on upstate New York towns for these stupid things?)...

And trying to get Judas Priest to change the title of their 20 year old record, "Hell Bent For Leather" to something else...

All of the good work for awareness they have done gets overshadowed by this stupid stuff in my opinion...

Plus when I donate dmoney to them they sold my name to every non-profit activist group imaginable... AAVS didn't do that....
 

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Hehhe, geez, sorry Oatmeal... I keep singling out your posts it seems. (its not intentional by the way).

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How can the truth be offensive? How can pictures of the Holocaust be offensive?
For me personally, ths issue is that PeTA is comparing the Holocaust victims to that of an animal's suffering. No matter how much spin people want to put on it, those murdered in the Holocaust deserve to not be disrespected by comparing them to animals. They were/are humans!

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Peta doesn't offend us, they're not the cruel ones.
Wrong. PeTA does offend the vast majority of the population. They are totally and uterrly irresponsible in how they handle their donated funds. I'll bet that for every person who becomes "enlightened" by PeTA, at least 10 more equate PeTA with militant veg* extremism and therefore, disregard any good PeTA has done, or is doing.

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- Peta is not a charity
PeTA has tax exempt status typically reserved for charities. It accepts membership donations and so far as I am aware, those donations are tx-deductible as a charitable donation. Correct me if I am mistaken on that one.

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- Peta is not an organization to promote veganism (the lifestyle), it's an organization to stop animal cruelty.
PeTA, for better or for worse, has attracted celebritries and celebrity spokespeople and, as such, have become the most publicly recognizeable organization which has ultimately become associated with veg*.

For some unknown reasons, people tend to listen to those who pretend to be other people on movie screens. I have no idea why... but they do. When these celebrity types start talking about animal welfare, and how they are veg* for ethical reasons, people, especially younger people, will generally listen. Therefore, to say PeTA does not promote promote veg* is pretty inaccurate in my opinion. As such, I think PeTA should be more responsible with their donated money to not alienate the public majority.

For every step PeTA takes forward,, I think the entire veg* movement takes 2 steps backwards.

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Is the naked campaign sexist or ingenious?
I think the naked campaign is just another bandwagon jumping approach used by PeTA, similar to beer commercials, etc. let's face it, sex sells and there's no question that PeTA are "media whores".

FWIW, I'm on board more with Loki's fundraiser as better alternative for which to send money. I wouldn't give PeTA a penny I found in a lump of horse crap on the side of the road, let alone any part of my paycheck. (Not that I have a fetish for digging through horse crap or anything)
 

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PETA supports BSL. That's just plain hypocritical. Where's the ethical treatment in killing/banning a dog just for its breed?

PETA seems to target the soft and obvious issues, and when it comes to the difficult and hidden issues they are useless (or even provide support like to BSL). PETA also would like to phase out companion animals. I disagree with this. I do not believe in viewing nature from afar as they seem to want. That leads to misunderstanding and a lack of empathy.

No, I do not like PETA.
 

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BTW, not sure if anyone saw this or not. But PeTA has deceitfully obtained some of the materials they use in the Holocaust on your Plate campaign from the United States Holocaust Museum.

Here's two links to press releases released by the Museum:

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United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Demands That Peta Stop Exploiting The Holocaust

http://ushmm.org/museum/press/archive/general/peta.htm
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Chairman Fred S. Zeidman Expresses Outrage Over Peta's Desecration Of Holocaust Memory

http://ushmm.org/museum/press/archive/general/peta2.htm
PeTA deceitful? Disrespectful? DISHONEST? Who would have thought ?
 
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