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No. I joined this forum to ask you if you think peta is credible. Big difference.

Thanks for the link to that thread. I'm working on being vegetarian and some day vegan for health reasons, and because I like the "bonus" of feeling like I am doing less harm to animals. But I don't think people who eat animals and animal products are less ethical people than anybody else. Most animals would make pretty unethical people, by that definition.
 

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I totally agree with you. I don't think people who hurt helpless others terribly for trivial reasons (including a food preference) are any less ethical than those who make the choice not to.

http://www.whyvegan.com

And we can probably agree too that those who force children into slave labor are as ethical as those who resist it.

A cow or chicken would not eat you, by the way.
 

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Yeah, actually you're right. Veganism propably is a more ethical way to live.

But I still think carnivorous animals would, by this definition, not be very ethical. I'm not saying that they would be as unethical as factory farmers, but about as ethical as any meat eating hunter-gatherer. Of course cows and chickens won't eat humans, because they couldn't digest us, they don't have the right teeth to ingest us and they haven't evolved the drive to kill us because we would be of no nutrition value to them. But they aren't keeping from eating us because they are such peaceful creatures.
 

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this reminds me of the simpsons

Troy McClure- "Don't be fooled Billy, if a cow had the chance he'd eat you and everyone you care about"



I'm not to sure about chickens because I've never had them, but my family raised cattle and they are very peaceful creatures.
 

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I bet a blue whale also consideres sharks friendly little critters. Animals are always only as agressive as survival requires them to be. Just like humans. I think the answer to why there is so much violence in the world is simply that the violent humans survived. Why? Because they got more food, mates, territory and survived attacks. And the answer to why there are also so many peaceful people in the world simply is that humans that conformed to society's norms and laws got enough food to survive and also obviously reproduced. Both strategies work, it just depends on where you live and which strategy the people around you are using^^.

wew, I loooove discussions^^.
 

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this reminds me of the simpsons

Troy McClure- "Don't be fooled Billy, if a cow had the chance he'd eat you and everyone you care about"



I'm not to sure about chickens because I've never had them, but my family raised cattle and they are very peaceful creatures.


Dude, I live my life in absolute terror of sheep. You'll never get me you BLODDTHIRSTY BASTARDS!!
 

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But I still think carnivorous animals would, by this definition, not be very ethical. I'm not saying that they would be as unethical as factory farmers, but about as ethical as any meat eating hunter-gatherer.
No. It's pretty much a mis-application of terms to talk about ethical or unethical animals. Non-human animals - or at least most of them - don't have moral principles and conceptions of "ought", i.e. they don't have morality in any traditional sense of the word. They are neither unethical nor ethical.
 

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I remember an article in a farming magazine many years ago, it was about a turkey farmer. He was out in the turkey yard working on his tractor with about a thousand turkeys walking and gobbling around him. Now this was before they de-beaked birds too, so those turkeys had all their TEETH. During the repair work on the tractor the farmer seriously cut his arm, blood pumping everywhere, he freaked and fainted. He was discovered later in the day, dead,clothes torn to shreds and with about a thousand peck marks all over his body. Yes cows are peaceful critters, but look out for those mean, nasty, blood thursty turkeys.
 

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I've never liked or agreed with PETA. I do support other animal groups-- those that are not so full of Crap. PETA seems to be more of a political group. A lot of people do not like PETA, usually for very good reasons.
 

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I've never liked or agreed with PETA. I do support other animal groups-- those that are not so full of Crap. PETA seems to be more of a political group. A lot of people do not like PETA, usually for very good reasons.
Could you be more specific please? I genuinely interested to know what people don't like about PeTA. Thanks.
 

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I posted this somewhere else a few weeks ago:

Who cares if people view PETA and AR as a joke?

http://www.peta.org/about/victories.asp

^^ That's why I don't care. PETA has done so many wonderful things to make this world a better place for animals. Sure, they do some really stupid things every so often, like dumping red paint on people and objectifying women and men through their ad campaigns, but for the most part, they're a pretty awesome bunch of people. IMO.
 

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Who cares if people view PETA and AR as a joke?.
Not me.

It smacks of mindless bashing when people express a distaste for PeTA or suggest they can make a case against them without having the decency to offer up a single shred of evidence to back up their position.
 

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Not me.

It smacks of mindless bashing when people express a distaste for PeTA or suggest they can make a case against them without having the decency to offer up a single shred of evidence to back up their position.
There's that mindless word again.
(reference: horse thread)

Yeah, and I have plenty of evidence of PeTA's accomplishments. Without them, who knows where we would be.
 

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Yeah, I agree. I think PETAs good outweighs its bad. I mean you can find fault with any organization. You just have to pick your battles I guess. While I think they are a little crazy sometimes I still think they put out a good message and get good information to a lot of people.
 

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I think a lot of extreme organizations like PETA do a huge amount of good. They may be over-the-top but they get people to start thinking about things. They may not get the whole world to be vegan but if some farm animals get better treatment because of them, it's definitely a good thing.
 

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1, humans are omnivores, so you can't compare them to carnivorous animals... You can't even compare them to omnivorous animals. Humans have a more sophisticated brain, we can choose to be vegetarians, animals cant' really make that choice. It's like a quote I see a lot, "I think, therefore I'm vegetarian"
 
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