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I am a 20 year old girl and my job entails working alone at night in a shopping center. There is one unarmed security guard on duty during most hours I'm there, and I'm required to take trash out to a dumpster sometime during the hours of 3-5 AM, depending on when I come in and how long it takes me to finish.<br><br><br><br>
Until recently I was content to be very aware of who was around the store after the other stores have closed, and throughly checking the area before operating the dumpster, but recently my bosses made a decision that has made me very uncomfortable with this situation.<br><br><br><br>
They hired 3 men to fix an area of the floor that had water damage during the time I am there by myself. They also neglected to get the fire alarm put into test like they are required to any time there is construction in the store, so the fire alarm went off and I had to get security to take care of turning off the alarm. Security has to notify the FD who is in the store, what they're doing there, and how long they'll be there any time the alarm is off. A new guard who didn't know me, or that I'm there alone frequently, etc. and made that pretty clear in front of the floor guys was the one asking the questions.<br><br><br><br>
They really seemed like pretty cool guys, but I'm very uncomfortable having 3 guys I don't know knowing I'm alone at night, what my car looks like, a rough idea of my schedule (they didn't finish until 4:30 am). I am the only girl to do this job in the 3 year history of the store because it is somewhat dangerous (and they also have 2 guys who could have come in either with me or alone while the floor people where there).<br><br><br><br>
I'm trying to figure out the most effective and realistic ways to make myself safer while I'm there. I'm getting some police quality mace from a police connection and in a month I'm turning 21, and would therefore be eligible to carry a gun and get a concealed weapons permit (and I would take classes geared for my situation, focusing on things like keeping your gun and using it in a close combat situation). I would like to take self defense classes but due to old injury's to my knees and shoulder I feel like I wouldn't be able to participate enough in a class to keep myself safe in an emergency situation.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Any thoughts, experiences, opinions?
 

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You could request that the security guard hang around your store and walk you to the dumpster and car. He might not be able to stay at your store the whole time, but it is definitely not unreasonable to ask him to walk with you when you're outside.<br><br><br><br>
I don't know if you're comfortable doing this or if they would be willing to help, but when my mother worked alone at night, the local police would usually stop in often and make sure everything was all right. It might just be a small-town thing, but if you've got friendly police officers or friends on the force it wouldn't hurt to ask them to drive their cruisers around the parking lot or walk through the store periodically.<br><br><br><br>
Also, you still ought to look into self-defense courses. I take tae kwon do, and one of my friends in the class has some sort of old injury in her knee and shoulder. She can still hold her own, and a lot of what you'll need to know (like getting out of a man's grip) you should be able to learn regardless of where you stand athletically. A good teacher should be able to structure your lesson around your limitations. My class is a mix of beginners and experts, so my teacher does have to be more flexible, but even in a class where everyone is the same level I don't think it should be a big problem if you can't do all the exersizes.
 

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I think you should DEFINITELY talk to your supervisor about this. Your employer should most definitely know what your security concerns are. They (or he or she) are putting you in this position where you don't feel safe, and I honestly don't think any job is worth that. Any employer worth his or her salt would understand and make an effort to alleviate the problem. Having you work those late hours is THEIR responsibility, even though you voluntarily work this job.
 

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I already flipped out at my bosses, I work 3 positions for the store, all of which they're short people for and have trouble filling with good people. If I quit they will have to come in and work most of my hours and I made it pretty clear that if this can't be fixed then that is what will happen. On the other hand I do enjoy my job and I make quite a bit more money than I would at any other baking job available in the area. It will kind of piss me off if I have to quit a job I like to take a crappier job and make less money. The person I replaced for this particular position had 6 years of experience on top of a better degree than I have. I had no professional experience. I'm only 20 and if I cut off the cable/internet I could afford to keep my parent's house running by myself, most people my age can't say that.<br><br><br><br>
I have started having security watch me take out the trash, but security is unarmed and the guy typically there from 12-8 am (most of the hours I'm working) is at least 75 and I think at 5'8" I'm bigger than he is. He's a lot better about watching out for me than the other guards, but he doesn't pack much punch.<br><br><br><br>
I am going to look into self defense classes but I really feel like I'll need more. It is very feasible that if I do get attacked it's not a matter of escaping and running to a safe place with other people, it's a matter of me taking care of it myself until I can call the cops and they arrive. My last job was at an Asian cultural center which included one of the best marshal arts schools in the state, so I got to spend quite a bit of time watching students train. Sometimes skill helped, and sometimes the bigger and stronger person won no matter how experienced the person he was attacking.<br><br><br><br>
Gun classes are looking very nice right now, and my step-dad has offered to transfer a pistol into my boyfriend's name (he is already 21) so that I can start gaining proficiency with it before I'm old enough to own it myself.
 

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i'm taking tips from this too, because I work alone in the computer labs late nights too, and walk through campus alone. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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Oh man, you should never do that. Don't they have security on campus to escort you?</div>
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not that late.
 

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THOUGHT: Look into the laws in your area regarding working alone and late at night. Some places will require an employer to have two employees on site, or direct voice communication with another person.<br><br><br><br>
EXPERIENCE/OPINION: Be very careful about carrying 'police grade' equipment. Police are trained in the use of the equipment and you can be charged (in some places, I don't know about your jurisdiction) with possession of a weapon/restricted weapon, etc.. even if you never use it. Also many people end up incapacitating themselves rather than their attackers when using pepper spray/mace.<br><br><br><br>
It boils down to this: is this job is worth your personal safety or even your life?
 

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Anything I get I'll certainly learn how to use, mace, etc. are just tools and if I don't know how to use them I'm only giving an attacker another advantage. I won't be waisting time I could be using running, etc. trying to figure out a weapon last minute. I'm getting mace from the chief of police in an adjacent town so I would assume that if I'm breaking any laws he would let me know. I also couldn't find anything restricting mace on any gov. web sites I looks at for my area.<br><br><br><br>
Is my job worth my personal safety? No, but I would rather take steps to make myself better prepared to deal with an attack, which will benefit me in all kinds of "normal" situations as well as my work situation rather than change my life around unnecessarily. If I can't work something out where I feel secure then I will quit, but for me this has just brought home the fact that I could be attacked pretty much any time. I don't intend to spend the rest of my life being babysat when I can learn to take care of myself.
 

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I don't think you need to go all the way to getting a gun, and really, you shouldn't have to do that. And you also never know about that guard. Just because he's shorter and older doesn't mean that he's weak or unable to defend. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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so apparently there are these things called nightriders that are basically just golf carts i can call to take me to the trainstation or whatever. but that doesnt help me much when im alone at a dimly lit trainstation.
 

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I also have a concealed gun permit - my advice if you were to go that route would to get trained in something you felt comfortable with. Its pointless to carry a gun you can't retrieve fast enough and puts you at risk of the attacker using it against you. I would think the more immediate approach would be to have someone else there at night, at least while there are floor people present - something your bosses should understand is important.
 

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I'll definately be taking additional classes on top of what is required fore the concealed permit (they offer several near me specifically for women wanting to carry for self defense reasons). My boyfriend's dad is good friend's with the chife of police, and pretty much every guy in my life has a good amount of gun experience and is very excited that I would go shooting with them, etc. so I won't lack for practice.<br><br><br><br>
For those who think I should just quit my job, last night two stray kittens came up to my house, one with most of it's tail missing and an oozing infection. I brought them inside, and right now they're at the vet getting spayed, shots, flea treatment, and antibiotics, etc. for the tail. I like not having to worry about how I'm going to pay for it, I like not having to be on the waiting list for a rescue. I volunteer so I could get them in <i>quicker</i> but it would still be longer than I want them to wait for care. Things like that happen rather frequently and I like being able to help out without taking money off my bills, etc. It's a nice feeling.
 

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Personally, if i felt at risk enough to want to carry a gun i'd quit the job. To save the kittens you may have to kill another human being... could you do that? self defense or not. guns arent like a magic forcefield.
 

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Most workplaces, or the buildings that house them have some sort of rule against having any kind of weapon. That's something I wonder about with so many people owning mace, pepper spray, brass knuckles or concealed weapons with permits. What good is a permit if you are only allowed to carry them from the car to the door of a building but no further?
 

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I looked at the laws and if they don't want you to carry concealed they have to post a visible notice, or in some other way let you clearly know they don't want a gun there. You're also not allowed to carry in places that serve alcohol, state parks, and a few other places but nothing that applies.<br><br><br><br>
Pirate, if someone wants to rape/rob, or otherwise harm me I wouldn't have a problem shooting them. I would work really hard to not shoot them (most of the time once they find out you have a gun and you aren't easy prey they take off) but if it's them or me I'm going to have to go with me.<br><br><br><br>
Karen, I do promise to be careful! That's what this is all about <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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thebelovedtree, I'm glad you're checking into self-defense classes. One thing you should learn there is how to carry yourself so you project an aura of confidence. That will make it less likely you'll be attacked in the first place. If you act like a victim, someone else may notice that.<br><br><br><br>
Feel free to check into crime rates for your area of your city. Many police reports are public record. If you have a friend on the force, you may be able to find out information they're not releasing to most people yetlike if they have a serial killer in your neighborhood who's killing women who fit your description. Granted, that's an extreme situation, but the point is it doesn't hurt to have connections.<br><br><br><br>
If you aren't already, you need to be really familiar with the building you work in and the immediate area around it. Should you be attacked and you run instead of fighting (Getting away is a better option if you're able), you need to know where you're going. That may be the advantage you need over some thug.
 

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i would take some self defense classes. if your ever in trouble, remember everything is a weapon. try to take out his eyes(you can press your thumbs into his eyes *hard*) or strikes to the throat. never let yourself to be taken to a second location.<br><br>
always stay alert, know whats going around you.<br><br><br><br>
if your going to get a gun, you have to be willing to shoot someone. otherwise it could be taken away used against you. i know this all sounds brutal, but if you need to defend your self....<br><br>
be careful out there.
 

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i would also suggest looking into krav maga. i dont know if there is an instructor in your area but it might be worth looking into.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krav_Maga" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krav_Maga</a><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.kravmaga.com/krav01.html" target="_blank">http://www.kravmaga.com/krav01.html</a>
 
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