[Dirty Martini]

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<div class="quote-block">Keep an eye on Indra Nooyi. The freshly minted CEO of PepsiCo (PEP) will bring a very different style and sensibility to the top job when she replaces Steve Reinemund on Oct. 1 at the beverage and snack giant. While many were surprised at the timing of the Aug. 14 announcement that Nooyi would take over as Reinemund steps down to spend more time with his family, few doubt her ability to lead.<br><br><br><br>
With her passion for globalization and sharp eye for acquisitions, Nooyi has been a major force in shaping the direction of the $33 billion company. Many predict she will accelerate the company's moves to broaden its portfolio and globalize its brands. Jeff Sonnenfeld of the Yale School of Management says he is "convinced that she will pick up a very intelligent acquisition pace," in part because she has a keen sense for where consumer tastes are moving, as well as for the challenges facing U.S. brands abroad.</div>
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<br><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/aug2006/pi20060814_532001.htm?chan=top+news_top+news" target="_blank">http://www.businessweek.com/investor...+news_top+news</a><br><br><br><br>
(I don't know if you have to subscribe to read that or not, but there it is)

 

[Dirty Martini]

And how fortunate that the old CEO had "family obligations" and stepped down...<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Welcome to the India installment of the fabled cola wars. But this time around, global soft-drink heavies Coca-Cola (KO) and PepsiCo (PEP) are actually on the same side. Their adversaries: a feisty New Delhi-based environmental group, left-leaning politicians in Southern India, and nonstop press coverage that has raised angst levels over pesticide traces discovered in these companies' carbonated drinks. On Aug. 9, the dispute escalated when India's southwestern state of Kerala, home to about 30 million people, banned the Indian subsidiaries of both companies from making or selling their beverages.<br><br><br><br>
Earlier in August, several other regions such as the Western coastal state of Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh in central India erected partial bans on the sale of Coke and Pepsi at schools and government offices. The Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party is calling for a national ban, and regional politicians with a populist streak have staged Coke and Pepsi bottle-smashing press events. Meanwhile, the Indian Supreme Court has jumped into the fray by ordering Coca-Cola to divulge its century-plus secret formula so government investigators can have more accurate readings of pesticide levels in its products.</div>
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<br><br><br><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/aug2006/gb20060810_826414.htm" target="_blank">http://www.businessweek.com/globalbi...810_826414.htm</a>

 

[Dirty Martini]

I posted these on a women's board I frequent. Several members suggested that it is a shame for a woman to head a company that sells rubbish.<br><br><br><br>
What do you think? Is it a slap in the face to feminism for a woman to head a company that sells "junk" (keeping in mind they also own quaker, aquafina & gatorade...)? Is it against the ideals of feminism to climb to the top of a company (as a woman) that sells products that don't provide some sort of social good?<br><br><br><br>
Discuss...

 

[SavedbytheBlood]

So she's a feminist? I'm not understanding this.<br><br><br><br>
Why can't she head the company? I'm losted. Haha.

 

[UseHerName]

I don't understand the problem of being the CEO of a major corporation that sells pop, water and oats. Men own companies that also sell junk, so what's the fuss if it's a woman instead? I don't think women are any better than men, and vice versa.

 

[Scythe]

...I don't care who runs pepsi.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Several members suggested that it is a shame for a woman to head a company that sells rubbish.</div>
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Several members should shut up and mind their own business (most likely not the kind that generates money, either).

 

[IamJen]

nice

 

[Astarte]

I think it's a positive sign that a woman's in such a position of financial power today. PepsiCo is one of the world's biggest companies and the fact that they're admitting a woman as CEO is a good sign that women are gaining more acceptance among upper management of large corporations.<br><br><br><br>
The idea that women should only be purveyors of healthy, wholesome, lovely things seems odd to me. Ideally these companies would be more conscious of their customers' health and be more responsible with what and how they sell, but I think that's a completely seperate issue.

 

[otomik]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Astarte</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
The idea that women should only be purveyors of healthy, wholesome, lovely things seems odd to me. Ideally these companies would be more conscious of their customers' health and be more responsible with what and how they sell, but I think that's a completely seperate issue.</div>
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This reminds me of an older thread with some of the same ideas and members here today.<br><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=33453&page=4&highlight=bhutto" target="_blank">http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/s...ghlight=bhutto</a><br><br><br><br>
the thread in a nutshell:<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Joe</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
If you are saying that the US is deficient in allowing women "equality of opportunity" to become anti-democratic dictators like Indira Gandhi, then I can live with that.</div>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>mouse</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
3. It is irrelevant whether women are better leaders than men. It would only be relevant if they are worse than men.*<br><br><br><br>
*Footnote: The expectation that women need to be better than men in order is in itself biased. Shame on you.</div>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>epski</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Urm, the personal attacks will stop now. Period.<br><br><br><br>
I am closing this thread for approximately 24 hours. I hope that I will receive your support on this. Take a chill pill, folks, and call me in the morning.</div>
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and so the thread was closed and in this case approximately 24 hours means more than a year and counting.<br><br><br><br>
But I think they hit some tough issues head on, both of them. Getting rid of the patriarchy should have possitive fruits otherwise this empowerment is a theoretical virtue for possible leaders but not society as a whole. The quality of leaders male and female should <b>improve</b> (not stay the same or lower) in a non-sexist society because the talent pool is doubled. It brings up the possibility that society is too sexist to select good women leaders, often emphasizing superficial traits, double standards, proving a point rather than selecting the best leader in their opinion. What about the disproportionate numbers of black women on school boards? Statistically when a male judge and a female judge are up for election the female judge is favored disproportionately because of activism in the poll booth.

 

[Indian Summer]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>OregonAmy</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I posted these on a women's board I frequent. Several members suggested that it is a shame for a woman to head a company that sells rubbish.<br><br><br><br>
What do you think? Is it a slap in the face to feminism for a woman to head a company that sells "junk" (keeping in mind they also own quaker, aquafina & gatorade...)? Is it against the ideals of feminism to climb to the top of a company (as a woman) that sells products that don't provide some sort of social good?<br><br><br><br>
Discuss...</div>
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So they think that women somehow have higher moral standards than men have? I don't think so ... She climbed to the top, and that's great. Good for her, and good for women's fight for equality. The company sells rubbish, but really it could be much worse. Anyway, the fact that she heads a multinational company makes her no worse or better as a moral agent than average head-of-multinational-company-Joe.

 

[organica]

Proclaiming this decision as some kind of feminist victory is bs.<br><br>
She was hired for her ability to generate profit/company visiblity.<br><br>
Sadly, there is so much spin on stuff like this these days that it comes out looking like Pepsi is some great champion of women's rights, & this hiring decision is a wonderful thing for women.<br><br>
Really, her sex is irrelevant here, unless you're a liberal feminist who thinks happenings like this actually signify progress for women.<br><br>
But then such feminists would consider Margaret Thatcher an excellent example of female progress as well.<br><br>
To me, a feminist victory here would be if campaigning by women angry at the sexist advertising, deleterious health effects, marketing in schools, etc. of Pepsi led to a collapse of the brand, & everyone started drinking fair-trade organic juices instead!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="">

 

[Scythe]

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<div class="quote-block">Really, her sex is irrelevant here</div>
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It should be irrelevant. She is just another person, being female should not make her special any more than being male should make someone special. It pisses me off when "equality" supporters forget that, and you start, for example, seeing people get awards because they are in a minority and did something that other people do all the time.<br><br><br><br>
Equality doen't make someone special, it makes them just like everyone else.

 

[Dirty Martini]

^^ and that was pretty much the point of the women on the other board.<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="">

 

[KDB]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>OregonAmy</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I posted these on a women's board I frequent. Several members suggested that it is a shame for a woman to head a company that sells rubbish.<br><br><br><br>
What do you think? Is it a slap in the face to feminism for a woman to head a company that sells "junk" (keeping in mind they also own quaker, aquafina & gatorade...)? Is it against the ideals of feminism to climb to the top of a company (as a woman) that sells products that don't provide some sort of social good?<br><br><br><br>
Discuss...</div>
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similar to Rice being one of the highest-ranking members of the current US administration ...<br><br><br><br>
the problem is that women are unfortunately no better people as such just because they are women. that would be nothing but another form of sexism. it's all about individuals. some women are only female on the outside, anyway.

 

[troub]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>KDB</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
some women are only female on the outside</div>
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That reminds me, there was this one time at band camp...

 

[astro]

This is a great achievement for this woman personally, but I don't see it as any kind great feminist victory. That's generally because I've found that the women I've met and observed in the corporate world are not really feminists at all, they are just woman who have modelled themselves on men.

 

[otomik]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>organica</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
To me, a feminist victory here would be if campaigning by women angry at the sexist advertising, deleterious health effects, marketing in schools, etc. of Pepsi led to a collapse of the brand, & everyone started drinking fair-trade organic juices instead!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=""></div>
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my fair-trade organic juice is made by small band of radical anarchist palestinian lesbians in a san francisco-based biodynamic self-sufficient unschooled farming commune, should try it sometime, it's called Kunt Kola, <i>tastes like feminist victory</i> (TM).<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>astro</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
they are just woman who have modelled themselves on men.</div>
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sometimes you gotta play the inauthenticity card, because women aren't told who they should be nearly enough.

 

[astro]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>otomik</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
my fair-trade organic juice is made by small band of radical anarchist palestinian lesbians in a san francisco-based biodynamic self-sufficient unschooled farming commune, should try it sometime, it's called Kunt Kola, <i>tastes like feminist victory</i> (TM).</div>
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That's a bit off in a feminist discussion <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/undecided.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":-/"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">sometimes you gotta play the inauthenticity card, because women aren't told who they should be nearly enough.</div>
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Settle down, I'm not telling them how to be, I'm just giving my opinion on how I think they <i>are</i>.

 

[Dirty Martini]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>astro</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
This is a great achievement for this woman personally, but I don't see it as any kind great feminist victory. That's generally because I've found that the women I've met and observed in the corporate world are not really feminists at all, they are just woman who have modelled themselves on men.</div>
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So, what <i>would</i> be a feminist victory? What is feminism if it isn't making achievements that have previously been typically made by men? If "feminist achievements" can only be made outside the patriarchal model, then doesn't that prevent actual progress from being made?<br><br><br><br>
Additionally, how do you define "women who have modelled themselves on men" and separate those from women who like the current system and work hard to make gains within it? And, how do you again identify those who model themselves after men?<br><br><br><br>
What would a feminist in the corporate world look like? Or can a "feminist in the corporate world" even exist?

 

[astro]

It's not what they look like, it's how they act...their management style to be specific. I realise that it's possible to generalize a little too much about gender differences when it comes to management styles, but I have noticed some common themes.<br><br><br><br>
Women will quite often be less aggressive in their style than men. They don't seem so focused on power and control, hierarchies and hard-nosed decision making as men often are. Women seem to rely more on collaborative and interpersonal skills, they are often more empathetic and intuitive in their decision making. Overall, they seem more motivated by people and ethics as oppossed to power and profit.<br><br><br><br>
Unfortunately, the corporate world is pretty ruthless and men at the top often don't appear to have time for the particular business style that women will often display. So, to get to the top in a male-dominated environment, women are forced to adopt the model that's already in place. They have to conform or they don't survive. Those women that don't feel comfortable doing that, drop out. That's one of the reasons why only about 1% of women end up being CEO's.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">So, what would be a feminist victory?</div>
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When a woman gets to be CEO without having to totally conform to masculine mangagement styles. It would be good if the two differing styles could meet in the middle some day.