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<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2012/feb/27/no-parmesan-please-we-re-vegetarian" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...-re-vegetarian</a><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Anyone familiar with the blank look on a waiter's face when asked if their pesto is vegetarian ("yes, pesto is just basil and pine nuts", "and parmesan?", "oh yes, and parmesan, but that's just cheese") will know that sometimes it is easier to avoid such dishes. Or, where parmesan's presence is not stated on the menu, hastily push any offending shavings to the side of your plate before they start to melt.<br><br>
As it is, the law states that cheese is only allowed to be labelled Parmigiano Reggiano or parmesan (the widely used French name) if it meets a number of criteria, including being made using calf rennet. It's nothing new; parmesan has had Protected Designation of Origin status since 1996.</div>
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Avoid parmesan and inform restaurants that offer it as a vegetarian option.
 

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I have been saying this for a while.<br><br>
When new veggies arrive looking for advice on the boards and people say 'cheese is fine' I tell them 'except parmesan'...and it falls on deaf ears *shrug*
 

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Its marked as veggie, but do the ingredients support that.<br>
Ive seen products labelled as veggie and they have shellac,Whey or some other questionabley 'vegetarian' ingredient in them
 

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Oh...thats pretty weird <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:">
 

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vegan parmesan is vegetarian. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>RabbitLuvr</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3111561"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Hello. This applies in the EU but NOT in the United States. From Wikipedia:<br><br>
Outside Europe, most notably in the United States, commercially produced imitation cheeses may be legally sold under the generic name Parmesan, although there are substantial differences in terms of quality, taste and nutritional components. When sold in Europe, such cheese are obliged to use another name, such as Kraft's "pamesello italiano".[5]<br>
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This still doesn't address the fact that many restaurants (both in UK and US) label foods 'vegetarian' when they contain parmesan made with rennet. especially Italian food restaurants and pizza places. Just a heads up to veggies that eat cheese to always double check the source of the parmesan especially if you frequent nicer upscale places that use real parmesan or places that don't realize that many parmesan (and other cheeses) use rennet.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>RabbitLuvr</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3111647"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I was addressing your original post, which specifically talked about Parmesan in relation to European labeling laws, which do not apply in the United States. Some Parmesan available in the US *is* vegetarian, as it contains no rennet, and it's ok to call it Parm because we have different laws here.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Restaurant staff not knowing if the Parm (or other cheeses they serve) contain rennet is a completely different issue.</div>
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If you read the linked article in the original post, it also discusses the issue of restaurants serving non vegetarian parmesan cheese in vegetarian dishes. Even suggests leaving an informative card at the restaurants to let them know of their mistakes. So its pretty much the same issue, that many places serve parmesan that is not vegetarian.
 

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I'm eating vegan these days so this doesn't actually apply to me anyway, but even when I was l/o vegetarian I didn't get my blood pressure up over the possibility of rennet in my cheese. We've got much larger battles to fight my friends, and I think such intense scrutiny over possible by-products serves only to detract from the overall message. Let's make this look easy, not hard. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Digger</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3111737"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I'm eating vegan these days so this doesn't actually apply to me anyway, but even when I was l/o vegetarian I didn't get my blood pressure up over the possibility of rennet in my cheese. We've got much larger battles to fight my friends, and I think such intense scrutiny over possible by-products serves only to detract from the overall message. Let's make this look easy, not hard. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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It is easy, just dont eat parmesan cheese <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>RabbitLuvr</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3111730"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Actually, I did read the linked article, though clearly you haven't. The article specifically applies to the UK, and deals with labeling laws that do not necessarily apply outside of the EU.<br><br>
I guess you could make this thread accurate by changing the title to SOME Parmesan isn't vegetarian, or my having it moved into the UK forum.<br><br>
I don't understand how people consistently fail to understand that the article they read in a UK publication, which specifically references EU labeling requirements, does not necessarily apply in countries outside of the EU, despite repeated evidence that they're wrong.</div>
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I fully understand the labeling applies to the EU. Doesnt mean people shouldnt be made aware to check and ask about cheese being called vegetarian
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Digger</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3111737"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I'm eating vegan these days so this doesn't actually apply to me anyway, but even when I was l/o vegetarian I didn't get my blood pressure up over the possibility of rennet in my cheese.</div>
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That's because you are in this for your health which is your business. But, the rest of us who care about animals first and foremost, are actually seriously disturbed by the presence of the inner mucosa of the fourth stomach chamber (the abomasum) of slaughtered young, unweaned calves in our food.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>RabbitLuvr</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3112073"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
So it means SOME parmesan IS vegetarian.<br><br><br><br><br>
Your title specifically states that <i>Parmesan</i> isn't vegetarian, and your op <i>specifically</i> states to avoid parm, which are not accurate. Your op also specifically mentions EU labelling that does not apply outside of the EU. Whether or not Parmesan is vegetarian, which I was trying to point out by mentioning <b>parmesan that specifically IS vegetarian</b> in my first post, is a completely separate issue from restaurants not knowing if their assorted cheeses are vegetarian or not.<br><br>
Again, if you moved this thread into the UK forum, then yes, it would be accurate. But people should be informed that the blanket statement "Parmesan is not vegetarian" IS NOT ACCURATE.</div>
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It is not necessary for all issues that pertain to the UK to be in that forum. After all, all areas of the board are flooded with strictly US issues. This thread is still useful to non-UK people. Most (or a lot) of parmesan in the US is also made with calf rennet, so luvyourmother's call to be concerned still applies, even if the article explicitly only addresses EU standards. After all, I think some of the parmesan I see at the stores is imported from Italy, which would mean it probably is subject to these requirements.
 
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