Overuse of the word "meat" in your presence.

snownose · Aug 25, 2006

I dont know if I might be imagining it, but I always notice that in my presence people overuse the word meat. It might be something like Have you checked the meat, or has the meat you ordered arrived yet? Even though they dont say it to me, it is annoying. It always happens at table when I am eating my veg meat alternative or whatever, then they will get on the topic of meat and say Oh yeah, my husband and son eat SOO much meat, they love it. Sometimes I wonder why people cant use the less offensive words for flesh, like ribs, sausage or whatever the thing is. Why do they have to use the word meat? To me its a reminder that the meat is a dead animal. I want to know if other veg*ns have noticed this, or if Im just being weird. Thanks!

Amy SF · Aug 25, 2006

I'm sure omnis don't think of the word "meat" as offensive to some people, especially when they've been using it all their lives. To them, it's just a way of describing a certain kind of food. I honestly think if they really wanted to offend you, they'd wave some greasy sausage in your face. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/undecided.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":-/"> 
And no, I haven't noticed any increased usage of that word, at least around me. I don't take offense to the word itself, more towards the actual, um, dead flesh. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/inquisitive.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":stinkeye:">

sunshinegal · Aug 26, 2006

HAHA! You know, I think the fact that people know I am a veggie makes them talk about meat. When I first told my family (and to this day) they would just go off on spouts about how they love meat too much to give it up. I would be talking about like anything but food and it would turn into "You know, I love meat. I could never give it up. It is part of my lifestyle." I would just look at them and say "Ok.......how did that even come up?" I think alot of people feel badly about eating meat and know that we are doing the right thing, so they have to make themselves feel better around you. To this day my family goes off on tangents and I just ignore it. 
The best was I when my mom told me she talked to a vegetarian and she was amazed at how healthy it could be! I think my jaw hit the table and I was so mad cause I have told her some things about how healthy it is and why I do it and she would ignore me! Now she is lecturing me cause someone else told her about vegetarianism? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/spew.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":spew:"> Thats about how I felt. I never preach to people, the less they know about me, the better. As soon as they find out, meat is the main topic everytime they see me. I love it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/brood.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":brood:">

Shantih · Aug 26, 2006

Terrible comparason, but it reminds me of Austin Powers where they couldn't stop saying mole to that guy with the huge mole <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/afro.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":afro:"> Because you just know you aren't supposed to mention it, and I think some omni's expect us to flip our lids at "meat".

raw jess · Aug 26, 2006

I don't notice that. I think they use "meat" because it's a general term for the entire category. 
I imagine if they did use "sausage/ribs/steak" etc, someone would complain "Why don't they call it what it really is, Pig and Cow??"

jeezycreezy · Aug 26, 2006

I used to think it wasn't so much that people said meat around me a lot. I figured the fault lied more in my sensitivity to the word. Like when you learn a new word and suddenly you hear it everywhere you go. 
After years of this I think differently. I know people around me go out of their way to say meat because I make them uncomfortable. 
The one I hate most is: 
"I know you don't eat meat, but..." 
And then they proceed to talk about some kind of meat as though I, as one who didn't eat meat, would logically want to hear about the meat they ate. 
As in, "I know you don't eat meat, but I cooked this delicious sausage stuffed chicken wrapped in steak on the weekend served on a bed of foie gras with a side of veal. Mmm, mmm, MAN was it tasty." 
I am of course exaggerating. But who would say even a watered down version of that??? 
I mean, if someone said they were offended by porn how many people around them would say: "Porn? Oh I just loooove porn. I could never give up porn, I enjoy it too much to give it up. I watched this great video on the weekend with barely legal Asian teen lesbian vampires. I know you don't watch it, but man are you missing out." 
They wouldn't. 
So why do omnis become such insensitive pricks around veg*ns? 
Cheers! 
TJ, with apologies for using the word you don't like hearing so much

Ludi · Aug 26, 2006

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Why do veg*ns become such insensitive pricks around omnis?

jeezycreezy · Aug 26, 2006

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"Why don't they call it what it really is, Pig and Cow??"</div>
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In the company of omnis, in certain settings, I will sometimes call it the flesh of the innocent. Or dead cow. Chicken corpse. Pig carcass. Stuff like that. 
It usually backfires on me because, inevitably, omnis will somehow think it is a good idea to appropriate my terminology and say it back to me as a joke. 
Oh! I can't believe this one wasn't in my original post: "Hey, TJ. Would you like some meat hahahahahahHAHAHAHA!!!! 
This is quickly turning into Stupid Things Omnivores Say (Version 3.0), sorry. 
Cheers! 
Bitter TJ

jeezycreezy · Aug 26, 2006

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Why do veg*ns become such insensitive pricks around veg*ns?

Diana · Aug 26, 2006

I don't get that. Because if anyone dares in my presence start questioning my veganism or whatever, they know they're into a half hour "holier than thou" lecture and that the arguments I provide will squash them so flat that they will feel like worms. They get especially quiet when I tell them that they are definitely lower than me on the evolutionary scale. 
It's one advantage of being known as a Fundamentalist Extremist. Especially when one appropriates that title as if it were a badge of honour. 
(The other night, we had visitors we hadn't seen for a long time. They were EXHAUSTED at the end of the meal - LOL!!!! Because one of them dared say that they thought I was exaggerating when I said I didn't eat honey. I didn't stop talking for at least half a hour. It was most amusing. But more than that, they actually ended up agreeing intellectually with me in the end.)

Seb_0810 · Sep 1, 2006

Perhaps it is a subconsious thing. Before we went veg*n, we didn't pay attention when they said "meat" but as vegans we seem to notice when they say meat.

GhostUser · Sep 1, 2006

I don't consider meat as a food and i pay attention to word meatbecause i don't treat it as a food anymore <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="

"> Then I think 'ah, right, meat'. I'm not annoyed.

Skylark · Sep 1, 2006

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Terrible comparason, but it reminds me of Austin Powers where they couldn't stop saying mole to that guy with the huge mole <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/afro.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":afro:"> Because you just know you aren't supposed to mention it, and I think some omni's expect us to flip our lids at "meat".</div>
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I think this is exactly it. Most of my friends and family members are nice and try not to annoy me, but I think it's the "Don't think about purple unicorns" phenomenon. Suddenly, all you can think about are purple unicorns. 
Once or twice I've had people wave meat in my face. The first time it happened, I pushed away the hand that was doing it and told the face he better not do that again. My other friend at the table told me she had never seen me that mad. 
However, when I replay the scene in my mind, I see myself batting the meat onto the floor, stepping on it, and turning to the offending omni with a sweet smile to say, "Ah, yes, what were we discussing?" Passive-agressive daydreams. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/angel.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":angel:">

Pescas · Sep 1, 2006

Yes people in my class always overuse the word meat around me. I was sitting at my desk working, then I heard the 5 guys right behind me talking about how they could never be vegetarian and love meat and naming different ones. They didnt mean for me to hear, they were speaking quietly..But after a while I turned around and asked why that topic just happened to come up (they found out i was vegetarian just the other day in cooking class) and then they started telling me off for killing vegetables and plants..

Marie · Sep 1, 2006

When I was thinking of getting a Grand National.. I started noticing Grand Nationals around town.

GhostUser · Sep 1, 2006

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After years of this I think differently. I know people around me go out of their way to say meat because I make them uncomfortable. 
The one I hate most is: 
"I know you don't eat meat, but..." 
And then they proceed to talk about some kind of meat as though I, as one who didn't eat meat, would logically want to hear about the meat they ate. 
As in, "I know you don't eat meat, but I cooked this delicious sausage stuffed chicken wrapped in steak on the weekend served on a bed of foie gras with a side of veal. Mmm, mmm, MAN was it tasty."</div>
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I get that a lot. "I know you're vegan, but..." 
As soon as they say "but," I block them out and stop listening. It is usually the case that everything that comes after "but" is disgusting, offensive, and/or just plain unnecessary. 
It seems like the people closest to me talk about their omni food a lot more around me than they used to before I was vegan. I don't get it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="

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UseHerName · Sep 6, 2006

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"I know you don't eat meat, but..." 
And then they proceed to talk about some kind of meat as though I, as one who didn't eat meat, would logically want to hear about the meat they ate. 
As in, "I know you don't eat meat, but I cooked this delicious sausage stuffed chicken wrapped in steak on the weekend served on a bed of foie gras with a side of veal. Mmm, mmm, MAN was it tasty." </div>
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Agreed. My own mom will tell me, "Oh so-and-so made [insert flavour] chicken and they said it was really delicious. All you do is...". About after 30 seconds I'll remind her, "Mom. I don't care", and she'll say "Oh, right. You don't eat meat". Or then she'll turn and tell my sister. She knows I don't eat meat, so why bother telling me in the first place? 
It is annoying though. It'd be like us telling them about the best tofu recipe there is.

raw jess · Sep 6, 2006

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"sausage stuffed chicken wrapped in steak on a bed of foie gras with a side of veal." </div>
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I laughed out loud and said "OHHH GROSS." 
For ****s & giggles, lets make the chicken a turducken. The more the merrier. 
ETA: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turducken" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turducken</a>

bwgan · Sep 6, 2006

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I don't notice that. I think they use "meat" because it's a general term for the entire category. 
I imagine if they did use "sausage/ribs/steak" etc, someone would complain "Why don't they call it what it really is, Pig and Cow??"</div>
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Pig and cow would be hitting to close to home. It would make them seem more... what word would fit? like how you would call a dog a dog, it's more affectionate. So funny how people will be all blase about eating a cow but get disgusted over the thought of eating a dog. They're all animals. Like humans are animals. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="

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Meat is the general term for dead flesh. It's used most often, easier. I don't think it's offensive. I mean, it's true isn't it? Meat is meat is dead animal. It's not going to help calling it 'sausage' or 'pig'. It's pretty much all the same. 
I only get offended over it when someone is being a d*ck about it. Like my stepdad... he's always shoving meat at me (in a joking way). It's freakin annoying. Sure, maybe it was funny the first time but after the fiftieth time it's just stupid. Get over it already.

raw jess · Sep 6, 2006

I don't get offended or anything like that. It doesn't bother me when people prepare it or eat it around me. Of course I wish they wouldn't eat it period, but that goes without saying. 
I ate cows for 12 years, and I ate chicken/turkey/sea animals for 16. 
I really can't suddenly act holier-than-thou (them, whatever.) I even like the smells of some meat that's being cooked. Of course it's the spices and seasonings, not the meat itself, but nonetheless, I've been there. It's been years, but I've been those people. 
It's a whole different situation when it's some jerkoff who is talking TO you about "LOOK at all the YUMMY MEAT" and sticking it in your face (i.e. my brother.) In that case, yes, that got old, oh...about...8 years ago.

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