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<a href="http://altreligion.about.com/library/weekly/aa122005a.htm" target="_blank">http://altreligion.about.com/library.../aa122005a.htm</a> interesting article <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> kind of fun
 

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perhaps when Jesus said in mat 15:6 <span>"So for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word of God. "</span> it could also refer to the glorification of pagan symbols by many Christians?<br><br><br><br>
I wonder how many professed Christians void the word of God during Easter and Christmas, and instead worship Eostre and Mammon. How many church's services are followed by egg hunts and Santa tree ceremonies?<br><br><br><br>
The line between the world and followers of Christ becomes thinner and thinner each year.
 

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I thought this was interesting:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.literatureclassics.com/ancientpaths/magazine/pagan.html#cane" target="_blank">http://www.literatureclassics.com/an...agan.html#cane</a>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>karenlovessnow</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I thought this was interesting:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.literatureclassics.com/ancientpaths/magazine/pagan.html#cane" target="_blank">http://www.literatureclassics.com/an...agan.html#cane</a></div>
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The first link says that that's a myth.
 

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Yeah, well, I have a habit of skimming stuff when I don't really feel like reading so I miss a lot. The link I posted interested me because it gave two sides. I didn't even read all of that one! But thanks! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Allowing originally pagan symbols to carry new meanings has allowed Christianity to spread into cultures it might never have if those carrying the Word of God had insisted that any part of culture with a pagan origin must be abandoned.
 

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The wealth of family, friend, and love and the joy exchanged within through these traditions is a testament to the goodness of God.</div>
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Do the children get more excited about celebrating the birth of Christ, or the coming of Santa? Do they get more excited about the resurrection of Yeshua or that the Eostre bunny is going to leave them candy and chocolate?
 

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Do the children get more excited about celebrating the birth of Christ, or the coming of Santa? Do they get more excited about the resurrection of Yeshua or that the Eostre bunny is going to leave them candy and chocolate?</div>
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just my 2 cents:<br><br><br><br>
pagan holidays are just as spiritual as any other religious holiday. santa claus as we know him <i>today</i> is treated in pagan/wiccan celebrations the same way in christianity: as a fun side thing for kids. the same with the "easter bunny"<br><br><br><br>
the sybolism of the rabbit in Ostara has nothing to do with the easter bunny of today. there is no "Eostre bunny" and he doesn't hide eggs.
 

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I have Christian friend who only give 3 "santa" presents to their kids because that is how many gifts baby Jesus got. They cut down on overspending and commercialism as well as keeping Jesus tied in. They talk about santa being the spirit of giving out of love--without expecting something back. They tie it into being Christlike-and say we can ALL be like santa and do some volunteering together.
 

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I wonder how many professed Christians void the word of God during Easter and Christmas, and instead worship Eostre and Mammon. How many church's services are followed by egg hunts and Santa tree ceremonies?</div>
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According to the wiki:<br><br><br><br><i>Most modern sources describe Eostre's festival as a celebration of the Spring Equinox. Bede, however, never stated this. Eostremonath is a lunar month, and as it starts with the new moon, can begin on a variety of possible dates. Since the Spring Equinox falls on a single date in March, Eostremonath cannot be associated directly with the Spring Equinox.</i><br><br><br><br>
Oh, and Santa Claus would either be a Christian Saint (Santa Claus only) or (more likely for those of Northern European-derived cultures) Odin or other native traditions/religions. Many other aspects of the Christian tradition (as traditionally celebrated in America) can trace themselves back to the northern European native traditions and religions.
 

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Well, Troub, I think that depends on the child and how it's been presented. My point is that these things don't distract from the Glory of God. Happiness is just one of God's many, many gifts to man, imo. It's possible to both be devout and bathe in the love of God and have fun family traditions. I don't think God besmirches togetherness and familial joy as they are gifts He gave us.</div>
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AMEN. I also like what you said about Santa in another thread. It was my thoughts exactly.
 

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I think it's up to each individual family to instill whatever their beliefs are in their children when it comes to who is more important, Santa or Jesus. At the risk of repeating myself, when my kids were young, we didn't open presents from Santa until we came home from mass. It meant getting up early and making the 7:30 a.m. mass, but we all did it and my kids were fine with that. They knew Christmas was about the birth of Jesus first, not Santa Claus, but they were able to appreciate both. I'm not saying that given the choice, if they had to choose between one or the other that they wouldn't pick the presents, because I'm sure they would. But that's just part of being a child. I'm just saying you can have it both ways if that's what works for you.
 

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Do the children get more excited about celebrating the birth of Christ, or the coming of Santa?</div>
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Santa, of course. And if you re-arrange the letters in Santa you can spell SATAN!<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Do they get more excited about the resurrection of Yeshua or that the Eostre bunny is going to leave them candy and chocolate?</div>
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Why would children get excited about a zombie bringing a promise to judge the entire human race over a huggy bunny bringing treats?<br><br><br><br>
Symbols are what we make of them. When we make a big deal about them, they become a big deal. Burn a flag and burn a cross; see which gets you in more trouble.
 

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Heheheh - good points, Sketchy! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:"><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Oh, and Santa Claus would either be a Christian Saint (Santa Claus only) or (more likely for those of Northern European-derived cultures) Odin or other native traditions/religions. Many other aspects of the Christian tradition (as traditionally celebrated in America) can trace themselves back to the northern European native traditions and religions.</div>
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While you're right that Mammon isn't Jesus' only competitor for the Christmas holidays, I don't think Santa Claus is really Odin anywhere. In Norway Santa Claus is called "Julenissen", which is only one of many types of nisser (pl. of nisse). Other types include his cousin Fjøsnissen (the barn santa) who looks after the barn and the animals in it. Nisser can be seen perhaps as a fusion of dwarfs and elves, and they originate not really from any kind of religion, but more general folklore and myths.
 
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