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What does everyone think of this? I see it as the confirmation that the organic standards certainly aren't the same anymore. There's absolutely no way that they could find the amount of organic grains they would need to be able to do this. What I hate most about it is that it's making a joke of organics, but the majority of people aren't aware of that and see it as a good thing to have organic Rice Krispies.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>DreamWavez</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
What does everyone think of this? I see it as the confirmation that the organic standards certainly aren't the same anymore. There's absolutely no way that they could find the amount of organic grains they would need to be able to do this. What I hate most about it is that it's making a joke of organics, but the majority of people aren't aware of that and see it as a good thing to have organic Rice Krispies.</div>
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Can you tell us specifically which parts of the prevailing legal standard you take issue with?<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/indexNet.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/indexNet.htm</a>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>*Cringe*</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I'm thinking gelatin-free miniwheats are worth my time! Wow. But I think can't get them here in Canada...</div>
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I didn't know there were gelatin-free miniwheats! the frosted kind? I used to love that cereal.<br><br><br><br>
eta: I went to the kellogg site and their mini-wheats include gelatin in the ingredients list. Is some other co making it?
 

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Can you tell us specifically which parts of the prevailing legal standard you take issue with?<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/indexNet.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/indexNet.htm</a></div>
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I'm not sure what you're asking. The problem I have is that I believe there's a lot of corruption within the USDA regarding organic certification and probably the whole program. I don't think that the Kellogg's company is really using organic ingredients in their products. It's not a far stretch to assume there's a lot of deals being made under the table, ect.
 

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I didn't know there were gelatin-free miniwheats! the frosted kind? I used to love that cereal.<br><br><br><br>
eta: I went to the kellogg site and their mini-wheats include gelatin in the ingredients list. Is some other co making it?</div>
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their organic ones don't have gelatin.
 

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I'm not sure what you're asking. The problem I have is that I believe there's a lot of corruption within the USDA regarding organic certification and probably the whole program. I don't think that the Kellogg's company is really using organic ingredients in their products. It's not a far stretch to assume there's a lot of deals being made under the table, ect.</div>
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Kellogg follows the same guidelines that other producers do, including small local farmers -- the <a href="http://agriculture.senate.gov/Legislation/Compilations/AgMisc/OGFP90.pdf" target="_blank">organic foods protection act of 1990</a>. Those that choose to go a bit stricter can follow Oregon Tilth.<br><br><br><br>
if you believe there's corruption, I imagine it would exist not only with kellogg's but to companies like Gardenburger, Quorn, Barbara's Bakery, Silk (dean's foods), and other companies so beloved by health foodies. So where do you draw the line? Do you grow & mill your own wheat?<br><br><br><br>
There is a LOT of money to be made in organics. I do believe that, because organics have been a hot topic for nearly two decades, there are a lot of farmers who have been converting their cropland to organic and getting usda certification.<br><br><br><br>
If kellogg says to its producers "hey we want to make organic cereals, and we want you to provide us with organic wheat, and it increases your profit margin by 3%", don't you think they'd do it? $$$$$$
 

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their organic ones don't have gelatin.</div>
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Do you have a link? I couldn't find the ingredient list on the oranics page.<br><br><br><br>
eta: never mind, i found it! <a href="http://www.kelloggs.com/cgi-bin/brandpages/product.pl?product=6673&company=3" target="_blank">http://www.kelloggs.com/cgi-bin/bran...6673&company=3</a>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Organic farming has been one of the fastest growing segments of U.S. agriculture for over a decade. Certified organic cropland for grains, fruits, vegetables and other crops more than doubled from 1992 to 1997, and doubled again for many crops between 1997 and 2003.</div>
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<div class="quote-block">Farmers in 49 States dedicated 2.2 million acres of cropland and pasture to organic production systems in 2003. Nearly 1.5 million acres were used for growing crops.</div>
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I was just happy enough that the rice krispies didn't have HFCS, like the regular kind.</div>
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Oh that's cool. But I assume they still have gelatin?
 

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I'm not sure what you're asking. The problem I have is that I believe there's a lot of corruption within the USDA regarding organic certification and probably the whole program. I don't think that the Kellogg's company is really using organic ingredients in their products. It's not a far stretch to assume there's a lot of deals being made under the table, ect.</div>
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I'm asking what you consider to be organic and how the grain Kellogg's uses fails to meet that standard.
 

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Oh that's cool. But I assume they still have gelatin?</div>
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Rice crispies have gelatin? Or are you thinking Mini-Wheats? Around here they don't anyway.<br><br><br><br>
As mentioned above, the only real problem I had with Rice Crispies was the HFCS.
 

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regular frosted mini-wheats have gelatin<br><br>
organic frosted mini-wheats do not.</div>
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<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"> we should put it in bold
 

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Rice crispies have gelatin? Or are you thinking Mini-Wheats? Around here they don't anyway.<br><br><br><br>
As mentioned above, the only real problem I had with Rice Crispies was the HFCS.</div>
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Oh I was thinking of Rice Crispie Treats, sorry.<br><br><br><br>
I forgot there was an actual cereal called Rice Crispies. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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Oh I was thinking of Rice Crispie Treats, sorry.<br><br><br><br>
I forgot there was an actual cereal called Rice Crispies. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"></div>
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we could probably make rice crispy treats with vegan marsh mellows.
 

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Oh that's cool. But I assume they still have gelatin?</div>
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<br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:"> Rice Krispies never had gelatin. Frosted Mini-Wheats did, but the organic ones are made without gelatin (which makes me wonder why they can't make the non-organic ones without gelatin).
 
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