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This is probably a dumb question.<br>
I still use milk and eggs in cooking.<br>
Does organic = humane treatment of the animals? Or does it simply mean no antibiotics or chemical treatment like it states on the label?
 

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Nope, it doesn't. It really just means no antibiotics, etc. But the entire organic and humane labeling system really doesn't have any meaning anyways once you look into it. Here is the page about organics from the USDA FDA: <a href="http://usda-fda.com/articles/organic.htm" target="_blank">http://usda-fda.com/articles/organic.htm</a>
 

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thank you for this <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br>
any advice on how I can find dairy products from humanely treated animals? Is it something I need to seek out from individual farms? Or something on a grocery label I need to look for?
 

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If I assume your definition of humane to mean what I think it does, then independent farms are probably what you're looking for.
 

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Or you could try out some delicious vegan/motherless milks like almond milk, soy milk, etc. Most of which can be easily substituted into any and all recipes that call for milk and are delicious on their own and in cereal, and you'll always know you're not supporting animal cruelty when you buy them. With dairy products there's still such a thing as more or less humane dairy, which is debatable from a vegan perspective, but it's probably cheaper and easier to just not consume dairy to be honest.
 

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Or you could try out some delicious vegan/motherless milks like almond milk, soy milk, etc. Most of which can be easily substituted into any and all recipes that call for milk and are delicious on their own and in cereal, and you'll always know you're not supporting animal cruelty when you buy them. With dairy products there's still such a thing as more or less humane dairy, which is debatable from a vegan perspective, but it's probably cheaper and easier to just not consume dairy to be honest.</div>
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I would totally love to do this and enjoy alternative dairy products myself, but I would like to keep my 2 and 1 year old on dairy for the time being, until I am confident their weight issues aren't a problem anymore. (my son was diagnosed failure to thrive and my daughter in the 2nd percentile of growth.) They are gaining, now that my son is on reflux meds and my daughter is transitioning better to solids. Its tough getting them to eat alternative foods that are high enough in saturated fat, calcium and iron- they are picky enough, so I would like to keep them drinking milk and eating eggs for now. I just get nervous having to buy these products at the grocery store and not knowing how the product arrived there.
 

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Based off my research of specific companies, Organic Valley is about the only brand name dairy I'll get, while I won't touch their eggs. Horizon's organic dairy isn't much better than the non-organic brands, so if you're looking for relatively humane than I'd avoid it.<br><br>
I prefer to buy from individual farms where I can actually go and see how they operate. Realmilk.org is a website that focuses on raw milk, but most of the raw milk producers they link to tend to adhere to much, much higher standards than any brand name you'll find. If you end up going with one of these, you can just boil the milk yourself.<br><br>
For eggs, I'd go to the closest Whole Foods type store, or local co-op store, and see specifically which brands they have available, or which farms they source from. Gather a short list, and then do some research, visiting the farms if possible.<br><br>
I still consume a fairly large amount of eggs and dairy myself, but am extremely picky about where it comes from. The typical grocery store variety, whether it's organic or not, is simply not an option unless they happen to source from a farm I'm familiar with, which is rare.<br><br>
If you're near the West Coast, there is a pretty good chance you can find a Whole Foods or co-op that sources from Straus Family Creamery. They are one of the best I've found, and actually produce their own power using a methane digester they have constructed to convert cow poop into electricity <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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thank you for all your advice. I took it and visited local farms in my area.<br><br>
I'm finding it challenging to get eggs and milk that I am confident is how I would like it to be where I live. I visited some local farms this weekend, and I still get shivers about how the cows and chickens are treated even though they claim free range- it didn't look like it to me.<br><br>
Its possible that the first response was right, it might just be easier to convert to vegan altogether and try to wean my kids off dairy. I am nervous about a loss in weight and nutrients for their developing bodies. I know they need high saturated fat for their developing brains. My daughter recently turned 1 and weaned off breastmilk and now supplements with formula (has milk powder in it). My pediatrician is not supportive of vegan diet for my kids.<br><br>
I'm kind of lost here, battling my morals vs what is right for my kids. I need help!<br>
I'm sorry the topic here is wandering and should maybe be in raising kids vegetarian section.<br><br>
I would love to convert my family fully vegan, but this is super challenging.
 

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I quickly transform into a coconut oil addict when I don't have access to what I consider to be an acceptable source of dairy/eggs.
 

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Just so you know, the American Dietetic Association has stated that a vegan diet is healthy for ALL stages of life, including pregnancy, lactation, childhood, etc. And, sadly, most MDs in the US know very little about nutrition. Your kids will not die if they don't drink milk or eat eggs.
 

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