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There was a discussion on the radio yesterday that had an interesting statistic. Yesterday the 7 billionth person was born on planet earth. They were asking experts about resources to feed all these people. One guy said that last year enough wheat grain was grown to feed 10 billion people. However, only six billion people (+/-) have access to that grain. The other four billion peoples worth of grain feeds beef cows. And, it's an inefficient way to feed people. The beef produced doesn't help much and only goes to the nations that aren't starving in the first place.
 

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That's quite alarming <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/shocked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:">
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/shocked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:"><br><br>
I'll find a way to make sure more people know of this.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Phoenix Days</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3027822"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/shocked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:"><br><br>
I'll find a way to make sure more people know of this.</div>
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Try sharing this article: <a href="http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2011/10/13/scientists-reveal-plan-to-double-the-worlds-food-supply/" target="_blank">http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2011/1...s-food-supply/</a> <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">When you take a satellite’s eye view the world’s food problem comes into clear focus: The planet’s best agricultural land is not necessarily where the most people live.<br>
Navin Ramankutty, a professor of geography at McGill University, and a team of researchers from Canada, Germany, Sweden and the United States have applied their minds to the problem and examined our food systems from a truly global point of view, combining crop records from around the world with satellite images to rate the world’s inventory of productive land and map the devastating environmental impact of agriculture. The report was recently published in the journal, Nature.<br>
Almost one billion people in the world are malnourished, according to the United Nations. The world’s population is likely to increase by another three billion people this century, so you can see where this is headed.<br>
Should the world follow their plan to stop eating meat, halt the expansion of land for agriculture, reallocate precious water and other resources to areas that lack them and reduce spoilage and waste on farms and along the value chain we could double the world’s food production.<br>
Double.<br>
No amount of fertilizer or genetic modification of crops could achieve anywhere near that increase in productivity.</div>
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I originally found it on the MFA blog: <a href="http://www.mfablog.org/2011/10/new-study-says-eat-less-meat-to-increase-worlds-food-supply.html" target="_blank">http://www.mfablog.org/2011/10/new-s...od-supply.html</a>
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> When I read about news like this, I really wonder how some people can be aware about all of these and not care.
 

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I don't recall the 7 billion making any news in the local paper. That's odd. I was told by my dentist that there is enough food but corruption within the governments is the reason there's starvation. I'm not sure what to believe.
 

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I was told by my dentist that there is enough food but corruption within the governments is the reason there's starvation. I'm not sure what to believe.</div>
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Do you consider your dentist the ultimate authority?<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br>
I think it was the charity Save the Children were saying that part of the problem is that women in poorer countries are having more children because of high infant mortality rates and that aid would improve the standard of living and the numbers of births would decrease.
 

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I don't recall the 7 billion making any news in the local paper. That's odd. I was told by my dentist that there is enough food but corruption within the governments is the reason there's starvation. I'm not sure what to believe.</div>
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Corruption is certainly a factor, especially in the third world. It's quite common for world aid to a starving country like, the Congo, Somalia, Ethiopia, etc.. to be immediately taken by corrupt government or war lords. It's then sold on the "black markets." But, corruption isn't the whole story. It's only part of the story.<br><br>
The big problem here is that beef consumption is using grain supplies that could literally feed 4 billion people. Beef consumption is sky rocketing in China as they take on Western lifestyles. It's just going to get worse according to all research.<br><br>
If tomorrow the whole world went vegetarian in a few years there would be enough food to feed everyone all they need to be happy and healthy. In the short run many people would still die of starvation. Eventually the number of beef cows would go way down which would free up starch based foods for human consumption. It would also be very good for the environment.<br><br>
I read, many years ago, a book called: "How to Rescue the Earth Without Worshiping Nature". I bought it for a dollar at a wholesale book store. It actually turned out to be a fantastic book. Basically, it laid out the harm done to the planet due to cheap hamburgers. They burn the rain forest to make room to raise cheap beef. The rain clouds that used to form there, float over the ocean to fall on Africa, stopped. People in Africa started dying. You can blame starvation in Africa on the first worlds craving for cheap beef. Now, that beef actually takes the food out of their mouths to feed the beef that's killing the rain forest.<br><br>
The meat craving of this planet is actually killing more than the animals. It kills people too. (This doesn't include the evidence that indicates that eating so much meat is the leading cause of cancer.)<br><br>
These are the biggest reasons why I went vegetarian. I am going for more inner peace, to be plain and simple. I can't do that and participate in the chain of events that causes so much suffering on our planet. It's not just the animal that suffers. And, once we know about it we have to decide. The decision is to stop participating or turn a blind eye and ignore the blood on our hands. If we decide to ignore the suffering our craving creates we cannot find inner peace. Inner peace requires compassion as a state of being. Compassion towards self is compassion towards others.
 

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This is a big dilemma... And steps should be taken on international basis to carve out this problem...!</div>
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I heard, on the radio, that such a thing is under consideration by the UN or some similar body.<br><br>
Gist was that they were considering, in places subject to regular disasters like drought and famine, moving the human populations out.<br><br>
Can't find the right word combination to Google anything up on it though ..
 

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I heard somewhere that if the whole world went vegan we could feed 10 billion people, where if people carried on eating as they do now that number is more like 2 billion, has anyone else heard this?<br><br>
Hate to say it though, but it does shake my faith in humanity quite a lot that people would rather keep enjoying their steaks than to consider how much they're killing the planet, and/or keep sponsoring an industry that pretty much is comparable to a never-ending holocaust. I hope I'm wrong, but I get the feeling that the world is going to end up hitting bottom before they get their act together.
 

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Wow, a billion people. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> That is just staggering. It is so ridiculous that so much food is wasted feeding it to animals for slaughter, and putting food in gas tanks while children have empty bellies.
 

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Here's another fact from Cornell University. Of the grain produced in the US, 7% is consumed by US citizens. 41% is fed to meat producing animals in the US. I presume the rest is sold. The number one industry that is killing the environment is the production of meat. Their study showed that it takes something like 100,000 gallons of water to produce a pound of beef. This includes the watering of the grains that get fed exclusively to beef cows. I read somewhere that the cows in California make as much fecal waste as every human in the US combined. I know in Eastern NC the swine waste is a toxic mess. When there is a hurricane the waste ponds over flow and all that crap ends up in the water ways, soil and water supplies. Of the animals produced as food chickens have the least impact on the environment. But, it's still not exactly environmentally friendly. Not to mention the situation for the chicken.<br><br>
I'm referring to Dr. Cambells study at Cornell University.
 

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Here's another fact from Cornell University. Of the grain produced in the US, 7% is consumed by US citizens. 41% is fed to meat producing animals in the US. I presume the rest is sold. The number one industry that is killing the environment is the production of meat. Their study showed that it takes something like 100,000 gallons of water to produce a pound of beef. This includes the watering of the grains that get fed exclusively to beef cows. I read somewhere that the cows in California make as much fecal waste as every human in the US combined. I know in Eastern NC the swine waste is a toxic mess. When there is a hurricane the waste ponds over flow and all that crap ends up in the water ways, soil and water supplies. Of the animals produced as food chickens have the least impact on the environment. But, it's still not exactly environmentally friendly. Not to mention the situation for the chicken.<br><br>
I'm referring to Dr. Cambells study at Cornell University.</div>
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Not only that, but because the US is an economy of scale when it comes to producing grain, producers there and in most developed countries can grow and distribute it for cheaper than producers in developing countries can. As many developing countries are agrarian societies whose well-beings rely on their farmers being able to stay in business, well, you get the picture.
 

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First off I want to point out is that there are muslims( not making fun of them) , Mexican families, Conserative Christian families that is have 20 something babies in their life time, so that will aide with this up of that many people, I remember ten years or 12 years ago that our planet went up to the 6 billion mark.. So when you have those types of families I listed and alike the precentage of people we will get here.<br>
I am glad I waited to have children, I am more alert and more mature to raise a child and we have some health issues to work on but we would like a couple, I would like as a Christian have a dozen but that will never work for us, only a few will be plenty for me, if we want to take in other people that will some day will come an option.<br><br>
A second thing to look at is that when each person dies off then a new life begins so when that baby is born among the living and not among the dead it replaces that person that dies, the person that dies just goes back into dust after few years.<br>
A third thing to look at is that it said in various animal rights website site if people can stop their consumption of meat or reduce more natural foods that is plant base will feed way more people then when we have the corruption of the meat and dairy industry.<br>
A final thing to say is that you cannot stop people producing there will never be future children to help aide your cause like future Veg and animal rights, future Faith base people, future anything that is positive to better the world, the children is of the future.
 

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Its things like this that make me sad about humanity. The fat cats get fatter, and less in number, and the poor and starved population increases dramatically- a huge spike is driven in between the two types of people in this world. Many use "survival of the fittest" as a reason for this happening, but I disagree. Isn't the fittest supposed to pass their genes on to rule the world? What happens if they have created no world for their descendants? It defeats the purpose.<br><br>
Humans have the capacity for compassion and empathy for a reason.
 

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What's very possibly a glimpse of our possible future, speaking of survival of the fittest:<br><br><a href="http:" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXRjmyJFzrU</a>
 

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Their study showed that it takes something like 100,000 gallons of water to produce a pound of beef.</div>
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Do you mean 10,000? Estimates vary depending on the region but I thought it's usually in the 2-10,000 range. Regardless it is very wasteful and water shortages will be a problem in the future.
 

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No, I mean 100,000. I need to find the paper. It was a .pdf file I found on Cornell's web site. Dr. Campbell has done some awesome work on this and related topics. It may have been for a kilo of meat.?. Not sure how much a kilo is? When I find it I'll post a link. It was a horrendous number.
 
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