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Now that I have become aware of the total cruel acts towards animals which deep down I guess always knew, but never thought about long enough, its now something I can not shut off...<br><br>
Do you try to make everyone aware so they can make an informed decision too? Or do you let it go and let other people find out for themselves?
 

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Everyone has their own approach, but I usually don't raise the subject that much. I usually wait for the omni's to say something first before sinking the boot in about their evil ways - I mean, raise awareness in a totally non-confrontational manner. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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Now that I have become aware of the total cruel acts towards animals which deep down I guess always knew, but never thought about long enough, its now something I can not shut off...<br><br>
Do you try to make everyone aware so they can make an informed decision too? Or do you let it go and let other people find out for themselves?</div>
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To quote <a href="http://www.veganoutreach.org/advocacy/meaningfullife.html" target="_blank">A Meaningful Life</a><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">If there were nothing we could do about these animals’ suffering—if it all happened in a distant land beyond our influence—then, again, our focus would be different. But exposing factory-farming and advocating ethical eating is, by far, our best option for making a better world. We don’t have to overthrow a government. We don’t have to forsake modern life. We don’t have to win an election or convince Congress of the validity of our argument. We don’t have to start a group or organize a campaign. <b>Rather, every day, <i>every single person</i> makes decisions that affect the lives of farmed animals</b>. Informing and inspiring people to open their hearts and minds to making compassionate choices leads to many fewer animals suffering. Nearly everyone wants a better world. We oppose injustice and violence and wish we could do something to stop it. What can we do about starvation and AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa? We can donate money, write letters, or try to get the government to intervene and give more aid. All of those efforts, though well meaning, are often far removed from having a proportionate or long-term impact.<br><b>Focused, effective animal advocacy, however, allows us to have an immediate and profound influence every single day.</b> Preventing animals from being bred for factory farms may not appear to be a particularly exciting or inspiring goal, especially compared to the plight of individual animals or the urgency of the latest tragedy. But if we are to alleviate as much suffering as possible, we need to maximize our impact; <b>through vegetarian advocacy, every single person we meet is a potential victory!</b></div>
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I stopped paying people to hurt animals because I believed there is something morally wrong with it. In doing so I'll spare roughly 2000 animals in my life. But is that enough? If I believe I'm doing something tangibly good by abstaining, wouldn't I redouble my impact with each other person I successfully educate on this subject?
 

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I'm new at this, but I take a pretty non-confrontational approach. I believe that just by being vegan, and living in accordance with that, I remind people to some degree that all might not be well with their choices. If they're curious, they can then seek out more information from there, whether from me or on their own. I inspired my cousin to go vegetarian in this way, and hopefully I can influence some more people over the next few decades of my life.
 

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Everyone has their own approach, but I usually don't raise the subject that much. I usually wait for the omni's to say something first before sinking the boot in about their evil ways - I mean, raise awareness in a totally non-confrontational manner. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"></div>
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I do the same thing, a lot of people ask about it and respectfully I tell them why I chose to be vegan. However if they get argumentative with me and say things that just aren't true (Ie but meat is healthy, its an eating disorder ect ect) I can be equally argumentative. Usually they back off when I start talking about scenes from earthlings.
 

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As long as people try not to argue with me, I don't argue with them, although I tend to politely set incorrect information right. If I present my case in a reasonably, level-headed way I'm much more likely to create a positive image of veganism, I think.<br><br>
And leading by example seems to work somehow, my mum and a friend have gone veg.
 

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Occasionally if I think it's going well but most times no. My mom was telling me about the Beekman Brothers show on planet green and about how they became attatched to pigs they bought for slaughter, but rather then letting them live, they hired another person to kill them. And they stood and watched crying. My mom told me it was so sad and the pigs sad faces and makes her appreciate local farms opposed to cheap factory farm meat. I started to talk about it and that's why I don't eat meat and factory farming but she didn't seem interested in that route, kept focusing on HOW they die as opposed to the actual death. So I let it go. Most people don't want to hear it sadly and I'm very non confrontational.
 

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I'm pretty quiet about being vegan. Most of my co-workers don't know. I don't have a vegan "look" so people are surprsed anyway. I work with a woman who's family owns a local dairy. She was pretty vocal to me that she doesn't like Farm Sanctuary which is located close by here in Northern California. My response to her was silence. I refused to get into a debate with her. Since that dairy is their main income I'm sure she isn't going to change. By the way she butted into a conversation I was having with another co-worker about Thanksgiving. I was explaining I had my Thanksgiving the Saturday before at the Farm Sanctuary Celebration.<br><br>
Now she has flyers out about the tri tip dinner they are having to benefit breast cancer awareness with the name of their team which has a dairy reference. I can't help but think as I look at that flyer with the cartoon cow and breast cancer ribbon about the possible link between that diet and cancer. Her reaction to my conversation was severe enough that I later wondered if her dairy is the one that 3 baby calves were rescued from a few years ago by Farm Sanctuary. One baby didn't make it but Phoenix has become one of my favorites while his mate Casey is sweet but aloof.<br><br>
People want what they want. I know some can change and some never will. I seriously don't have the energy to fight with anyone on this. If someone had genuine interest I'd be happy to talk with them I have yet to find that to be the case though. It's usually an "interest" of harassment. And I shut the conversation down fast without any worry of being rude. I'm far past that also.
 

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^Yeah, we're all those "vegan terrorists" that want to convert everyone, and rob people of jobs in slaughterhouses! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"><br><br>
I will offer my opinions, when needed, but I don't ever instigate. It really is best to promote it simply by having people who know you come to realize how possible it is, and how doable. People for the most part really believe they need animal products! Or at least that's what they want to believe they think...<br>
I try to get out and pass out literature, or get petitions signed. Just put the reality of "food" out there, 'cause the more people hear it, the harder it is to ignore!<br>
Even Teresa, in her subtle silence, is getting across a message to those around her, at least I would hope others see the harsh difference between herself and her charity, and her co-workers selfish greed. It really is just black humor that she's using the main contributors of (esp.) breast cancer as a fundraiser! To that I would post:<br><a href="http://www.cancerproject.org/diet_cancer/facts/meat.php" target="_blank">http://www.cancerproject.org/diet_cancer/facts/meat.php</a><br><br>
People who do know really have reduced their meat consumption. Just knowing a vegan, and realizing they've found a whole new way of preparing foods that are delicious and creative, can be the best start.
 

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I do the same thing, a lot of people ask about it and respectfully I tell them why I chose to be vegan. However if they get argumentative with me and say things that just aren't true (Ie but meat is healthy, its an eating disorder ect ect) I can be equally argumentative. Usually they back off when I start talking about scenes from earthlings.</div>
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I could only watch the preview of earthlings, that was enough...<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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^Yeah, we're all those "vegan terrorists" that want to convert everyone, and rob people of jobs in slaughterhouses! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"><br>
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I generally don't bring it up but if people ask why I'm vegan I give them the short and non-confrontational answer. If they ask more questions and seem genuinely open and interested I tell them more, but I still avoid saying anything that could make them feel attacked. I just give them the nice simple answers and tell them to check out some books or documentaries if they want to know more. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar and all that (or perhaps agave nectar? Is catching flies at all vegan? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:">)<br><br>
However, on the <i>very</i> rare occasions where a person doesn't know me well enough to know better and they berate me about my food choices I let fly with the gory details! Debating is my favourite thing in the world so after a flood of information and links and references and counter-arguments the rude jerk in question is usually so exhausted and eager to stop talking about it already that they never bother me again <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br>
In day to day life it's a lot easier to not bring it up with the normals though, I have one other vegan friend IRL and she is constantly posting statuses and links about animal cruelty and veganism on Facebook and people frequently complain to me about how she's "preachy." I usually say well she may be preachy but she's right, haha.<br><br>
Personally I only post about animal rights/vegan type things on Facebook if it's a really positive news story about animals being saved, or maybe a cute animal video or picture I found. It's hard for people to start arguments with you when you're celebrating a really awesome thing that happened, like for instance when the Japanese whaling fleet had to cut things short because of Sea Shepherd. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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silva, thank you for your words and the link. I bookmarked the link and I'm beyond tempted to print part of it out and put it up on the board next to that woman's flyer. Or just put it up in general.
 

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I'm incredibly non confrontational, but I don't make it a secret that the Vegan Lifestyle is the one I choose.<br><br>
When I start getting the "OMG WE ARE CARNIVORES" I just shrug and walk away. Admittantly, I think I get more people who are actually interested in why I did the change and are very supportive. They ask a lot of questions (what do you eat, where do you get protein, etc) and when I tell them I feel 100% better a lot want to try it out.<br><br>
I converted a friend back to vegetarianism this weekend <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I try to choose when I'm an animal advocate. I volunteer my time, money, and talents to help animals. But it's almost always on my terms, no one else's.<br><br>
That's one reason that I like leafleting - it's an easy way to reach a lot of people, and you can do it your way in your spare time. It's not just sitting around waiting for people to bring up the topic and then trying to find a way to discuss animal issues in an effective way. Leafleting is proactive.<br><br>
If people have genuine questions and I have the time to answer then I will. But if people just want to argue and debate, I tend to shut it down. I don't have time for that.
 

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I don't usually bring it up with people unless it comes up naturally in conversation but all of my friends and family have been very supportive. If they ask questions its because they really want to know the answer, I haven't had anyone try to pull me into a debate before.
 

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I talk about it constantly on Facebook. I TRY to be informative (well, as much as I can being a Vegan for less than a year) and educational, but at the same time, I show my devoted passion. It's funny how doing this has helped me see my friends for whom they REALLY are. Case in point, a few weeks ago, I had a friend whom I had been friends with for MANY years send me an email on facebook telling me "I'm here to read about your personal life NOT your diet". I was livid, hurt, mad, etc. I emailed him back explaining that being a Vegan is not a fad diet and that it is MY LIFE NOW, and about the animals. He sent me yet another email explaining that he didn't want to hear about it. I was angry and did the best thing I could...I unfriended him. I am STILL hurt by this, but now I know his true colors and I am better off without him. I later emailed all my friends and told them straight up my feelings about my VEGAN LIFESTYLE and explained that I wasn't changing and that if they didn't like it, to unfriend me. I am a Vegan, and damn proud that I am saving animals by being so!
 

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If people have genuine questions and I have the time to answer then I will. But if people just want to argue and debate, I tend to shut it down. I don't have time for that.</div>
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I would like to say I am the same way but sometimes passion gets the best of me. Most of the time though I just laugh at them because it pisses someone off when you don't care
 

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In real life circumstances I'm very non-confrontational. I don't mind talking about the subject, but won't mention it unless someone else asks first. Most people, whether it be omnivore friends or the like really don't want to hear it. We have talked about this subject before, because my Mother and Sister are also Vegan and I have seen them struggle with this between people that we know. It has caused them all kinds of rifts on Facebook, plus also offline.<br><br>
Personally, I love a good ol' debate. But I prefer it to be civil and respectful of both sides. If a person asks who is defensive, or attacks in order to get an answer I automatically shut down and walk away (which happens often). I find that this subject (to people that I know) is driven by ego and emotions. I prefer rationality when it comes to this topic, which at times is hard to do.
 

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Now that I have become aware of the total cruel acts towards animals which deep down I guess always knew, but never thought about long enough, its now something I can not shut off...<br><br>
Do you try to make everyone aware so they can make an informed decision too? Or do you let it go and let other people find out for themselves?</div>
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Have you ever heard the saying that goes something like "Preach always, but only use words when you have to"? That's pretty much my MO. I don't judge, I don't give long speeches on this and that. I simply live my life as compassionately as possible and try to make myself approachable. People recognize that something is different and they ask me questions, and then I can answer their questions, provide information, tips, stories, etc. I think most people are less defensive and more responsive to the information this way.
 
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