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OK, I noticed lately that modern music is falling out of favour of young people. I'd probably be a great judge of this, since I'm a young person aged 18, who has many young friends.

Amongst my friends, very few of them listen to music which was made within the last 5 years. Almost all of my friends now listen to led zeppelin, and i find myself compelled not to listen to the modern music that there is on offer, and going for classics like guns n roses and dire straits. And in the UK, alternative music channel MTV2 has steeped up a bit on playing oldies. It used to be that you'd get a token AC/DC video every once in a while, but a couple of days ago, my litte bro was watching and they had led zeppelin and jimi hendrix on.

I was listening to a bbc radio 1 show about music and the way it is today, and one of the guys said that music goes around in cycles, and we're in teh dark ages right now. He stated that if modern music were food, it would probably be fast food, and that the older stuff would be more substantial, and it dealt with the whole issue of today's kids turning to old music rather than new music.

We need to face a few simple facts when we look at music pre 1995 and post 1995:

Metallica: These are the yardstick used to measure heavy music, as some people say. St. Anger is trash. You wouldn't believe this was from the same people who brought us the astounding master of puppets.

Music with a message: In the politically charged times of today, most music always has a message to it. I'm not saying that this is a bad thing, since some great songs have arisen from politics. the truth is though, that audioslave will never be as good as rage against the machine or soundgarden. And when you have people like madonna trying to put politics into music, it's cringeworthy.

Conformity: Too many bands produce the same old crap these days, and don't want to deviate and find new ways of making music

Deviation: The bands that do deviate end up going too far. No doubt has gone from bein ga great ska band to a crappy hip hop act. And radiohead's kid A and amnesiac albums are the kid that you'd use as coasters.

Rap-metal: New rock music has turntables and rapping. Where were the good ol' days when rock was all about getting "guitars" and turning the amps up to 11. Now it's about having some turntable guy and the guitars are just there.

Guitars: Paul Reed Smith guitars and warwick basses. used by everyone nowadays. They sound good, but the point is that all music today has the same tonal qualities because they use the same instruments. It's a tiny thing, but I like to think that the best times are when half of the musicians opt for single coil pickup guitars (i.e. Ritchie Sambora) and the other half go for twin coil humbuckers. (Slash-style!) You get a real difference.

MTV: There was a time when MTV used to play "videos" i forget how long ago this was

Money: Music is no longer about expression. its about money. Radios and MTV get paid a lot to play music that the record execs want you to hear.

Hip hop/rap: I can remember when hip hop was great. De la soul, and sugar hill gang. Great hip hop. None of this gangsta crap. Now every rap group there is has to mention drive bys and bling bling. The only positive movement in rap music as of lately is eminem ditching dr dre as his producer, so he can produce the music he wants to. Bring back all the old hip hop. It was so much better.

Pop music: The rise of manufactured music has ruined music for everyone. It's pretty much the only thing you get on most commercial radio these days.

All my friends seem to have ditched modern music in favour of old music. Instead of listening to commercial stuff, we all listen to century FM (It's a northern english radio station where you're only one song away from the eighties) Instead of watching MTV when i can't sleep, i'm watching VH1 classic. And instead of seeking the latest band du jour, I'm looking through my dad's CD collection. I know i'm not the only one.
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"OK, I noticed lately that modern music is falling out of favour of young people."

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I agree , give me Bach over any of this new drivle any day ... hehehe :) (or Hendrix ... or a jam session with both ;-) )
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Originally posted by Loki

...the MTV generation (i.e. me)...

...MTV has been around longer than I have.
You said it before I had to, LOL. I think I'M the "MTV generation," (I'm 31), as I grew up while it was brand-new and red-hot (and actually played videos). I think you have to have personally seen the first broadcast of "Video Killed the Radio Star" (I was 9 or 10 at the time, I think) to qualify as part of that generation. Also you should be able to recall dot-matrix printers and the paper with the weird tear-off edges that fed them through the machine.


As for what's "classic," I absolutely agree that it's a cycle. My sister (your age, Loki) once cracked me up by saying that a song on the radio was "OK, for something from the 90's."

I didn't enjoy music that was older than me until I was around 17 or 18 years old. (Exception being things my parents played when I was a young child.) In my late teens, Pink Floyd was a revelation -- just one example.

WAIT! Off-topic moment: My adorable sister is 18, just like Loki! OK, too bad she's a) in America, and b) not veg*n. Well, nevermind.
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OMFG!! Just found out Metallica are coming here (geez like the furtherest away city from me.. ) In Jan!!

I am SOO going!! Now I just have to get a job, save money, let my parents let me.. Oh, and the most important part.. find someone over 18 that my parents know and trust thats going.. Its going to be hard.. but I will hate myself if I dont!!

Danny
"modern music" : I just HATE these stupid covers of a good song with a "house/dance" beat over it.

Why don't they make something themselves instead of copying ?
I don't think they are capable of doing that
Radio 1 stinks big time (apart from the specialist night time shows), even since three or four years ago they decided that the music began two years before. They've continued that up until now, so that the oldest music they ever play is 6 months to 2 years old. This is a real disaster as no-one gets to hear the music heritage that shaped the music. Last year they had a week or two where they played proper old music, and it was fantastic hearing things like Motorhead's Ace Of Spades dwarfing the modern bilge.

My advice is to find better radio stations. Radio 2 (as Tofu has already said) plays better variety of music ad without the banality of people like Sarah Cox. Xfm is good (its on Sky and via the internet), and checking out some of the other internet broadcasts from around the world (US college stations are good) would help to fill in the blasnks left by the heavy rotaion of commercial radio and MTV. Theres a place for both old and new, you just have to filter out all the crap.
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Originally posted by 1vegan

"modern music" : I just HATE these stupid covers of a good song with a "house/dance" beat over it.

Why don't they make something themselves instead of copying ?
Nostalgia. In a club, there is a lot to be said for a familiar song laid down with a better beat. Keeps those dreamin' about the 80s working up a sweat.
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Did Eminem ditch Dre? I didn't think so. Seems they still work together some, and the plan always was for Em to do some of his own producing. Dre is still one of the top producers in the game. Cna't think of anyone I would put over him. Oh, and Em has plenty of "gangsta" flava - check out what he produced with D12. Don't front as if Dre made Em doing anything he didn't want to do - he got cred in the business from Dre, but the nutty **** is his.
Dre (and Eazy E) produced my first favorite rap song, "Super-Sonic," performed by J.J. Fad. That led to Run DMC, The Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, and it all blew up from there. Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy, Movement X, Ice Cube...

Yeah, I like me some rap.
I always put Kool Moe Dee at the top of my list. He was one of the firts I could get into and really feel. He had this laid back, cool cat flava that I really respected.

Run DMC and others were great, but I just liked the feel of Kool. This led me into Ice-T and Too Short, both harder and rougher than Kool Moe Dee, but again, they had the cool mack flava.

An offshoot was Sir Mix-a-lot. Very different than the others. More lyrically creative, and just more fun. Very over the top.

NWA mixed into all of this. Dre and Ren were my top two, followed by Ice Cube. I never really felt Eazy as much, but I did respect him. Until the split, the I was all on Dre's side with "The Chronic", which I still rate as the best hip hop/gangsta rap album of all time.

Other groups and rappers have floated in and out over time (Tupac, Biggie, Wu Tang Clan [they just finally split up], Nappy Roots, etc), but Dre and his extensions (Snoop, Eminem, D12) plus Sir Mix-a-lot can always be found in the Tame One's CD player.
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I had some trouble concentrating on what this thread was really about, but anyway..

I do think that mainstream music was best in the 60's and 70's. The 80's is always a "cold decade" for me (an exception is the Smiths): I sense it in the boring synths of the music and the "blurred"/gray colours of the movies. In my case, it's not just about nostalgia why I like the 60's and 70's: it's just that the music was of a certain kind then.

Commerciality was probably always a central element in music, but that's not important, I love some extremely commercial bands of the past, like the Monkees. In the mainstream of today there are only a few bands I like, like Beck and Blur (and some songs, like Beck's New Pollution, could be from the seventies, so..). It's not that I have to be a "undergound music snob", it's just that nearly everything the mainstream produces today is horrible - sometimes, when having to listen to some radio station, I start to feel bad in a mental, and almost physical, way.

But then there are the timeless bands who operate in the margins. If I had never listened to Jefferson Airplane, after listening to it I would guess it was from the 60's or 70's. So it is bound in time in a way, it has the feel of a certain decade. But the bands I like the most don't have (besides the technology) anything that would connect them with a certain time period, because they operate outside normal culture. Therefore, they don't age.

When thinking about political music I think mainly about anarcho-punk, since that's nearly the only genre completely outside everything it wants to change. Hip hop may have (or rather, may have had) a political message, but it's tied with commerciality (at least this is the image I have because of a book dealing with rap's relation to popular culture) and it's not 100% devoted to politics like some punk.

Deviation is I think also a thing which hasn't changed from the past. Those who have wanted to deviate have done so, and the others have followed general trends, both in the past and nowadays. I have a general liking to underground bands from the past, but the bands I love most are "from" the 90's.
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Sevenseas, you say the 80's was musically the cold decade?

Why you're right of course! And that definitely includes Ritchie Sambora/Bon Jovi. There's so much new music being created right now that I'd rather listen to than all that Guns'n Roses / Bon Jovi / Motley Crue pure cheese, not to mention all the synth - drum machine 80's pop stuff.

The thing is, there's always a 20 years ago nostalgia, and this 80's music nostalgia had to happen right around now (sigh).

And the nostalgia craze routinely happens to teens, even if the music was made before they were born.

Not just music, but a cultural nostalgia. In the 70's in the U.S. "Happy Days" about the 50's was all the rage, and the group Sha Na Na doing exagertaed 50's music was very popular.

In the 90's it was "That 70's show".

Now waiting for, and dreading the coming 80's nostalgia network sit com.
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ummm... this thread is over two years old....
The only new stuff I listen to thesedays is psytrance or chill music. It's the only genre of music I like where I can feel reasonably confident that I haven't heard whats being produced a zillion times before.
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The thing is, there's always a 20 years ago nostalgia, and this 80's music nostalgia had to happen right around now (sigh).
Yeah.. Fortunately, this phenomenon is pretty much limited to mainstream music. Experimental music doesn't really break down into various decades and doesn't have anything like clear nostalgic trends.
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ummm... this thread is over two years old....
Hahaha but I love the old threads. The new ones are crap!


I think it's mostly based on how old you are. It seems like most ppl lock into the music style they loved when they were in high school. I've heard some good new stuff but nothing that makes me jump up & down & go crazy like when I was 18. That's a reflection of me, not the music.
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ummm... this thread is over two years old....
Someone should start an Old Threads vs. New Threads thread
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Actually, I believe music has taken a turn for the better, considering the state of things at the outset of the millenium. It used to be insufferable junk like Britney and N'Sync clones.

Now it's much better. The Strokes, Bloc Party, Franz Ferdinand, Kings of Leon and more. Bands like these have given me hope for modern music, and I've been buying new CDs again with regularity.
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ummm... this thread is over two years old....
Er.......well there's always a 20 years ago music nostalgia and a 2 years ago threads nostalgia.
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I don't listen to too much that's come out since I've been born. And that was March of 1988. There are some newer bands (new to me) that I like. I like REM and Phish and Dave Matthews Band and Mars Volta....a few more, but not many. But most of what I listen to comes from 1963 (The Beatle's "Please Please Me") to about 1979 (Pink Floyd's "The Wall", the last punch of Rock and Roll before The 80's: Attack of the Synth). I've always been a rocker, but I also love Folk, Funk, Reggae, and Blues.

I love The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Neil Young, The Byrds, Jimi Hendrix, Cream, The Rolling Stones, the Grateful Dead, Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Bob Marley, CCR......and so on and so forth. There's just something so creative and inspired about the music from that period. Right now I'm listening to Pink Floyd's Animals album and I can't believe the level of creativity- the wordplay and the epic guitar work. There's no amount of computer-produced pop that gives me the same feeling as putting on a good record from a classic band.

~Layla
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