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Old Music VS New music

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OK, I noticed lately that modern music is falling out of favour of young people. I'd probably be a great judge of this, since I'm a young person aged 18, who has many young friends.

Amongst my friends, very few of them listen to music which was made within the last 5 years. Almost all of my friends now listen to led zeppelin, and i find myself compelled not to listen to the modern music that there is on offer, and going for classics like guns n roses and dire straits. And in the UK, alternative music channel MTV2 has steeped up a bit on playing oldies. It used to be that you'd get a token AC/DC video every once in a while, but a couple of days ago, my litte bro was watching and they had led zeppelin and jimi hendrix on.

I was listening to a bbc radio 1 show about music and the way it is today, and one of the guys said that music goes around in cycles, and we're in teh dark ages right now. He stated that if modern music were food, it would probably be fast food, and that the older stuff would be more substantial, and it dealt with the whole issue of today's kids turning to old music rather than new music.

We need to face a few simple facts when we look at music pre 1995 and post 1995:

Metallica: These are the yardstick used to measure heavy music, as some people say. St. Anger is trash. You wouldn't believe this was from the same people who brought us the astounding master of puppets.

Music with a message: In the politically charged times of today, most music always has a message to it. I'm not saying that this is a bad thing, since some great songs have arisen from politics. the truth is though, that audioslave will never be as good as rage against the machine or soundgarden. And when you have people like madonna trying to put politics into music, it's cringeworthy.

Conformity: Too many bands produce the same old crap these days, and don't want to deviate and find new ways of making music

Deviation: The bands that do deviate end up going too far. No doubt has gone from bein ga great ska band to a crappy hip hop act. And radiohead's kid A and amnesiac albums are the kid that you'd use as coasters.

Rap-metal: New rock music has turntables and rapping. Where were the good ol' days when rock was all about getting "guitars" and turning the amps up to 11. Now it's about having some turntable guy and the guitars are just there.

Guitars: Paul Reed Smith guitars and warwick basses. used by everyone nowadays. They sound good, but the point is that all music today has the same tonal qualities because they use the same instruments. It's a tiny thing, but I like to think that the best times are when half of the musicians opt for single coil pickup guitars (i.e. Ritchie Sambora) and the other half go for twin coil humbuckers. (Slash-style!) You get a real difference.

MTV: There was a time when MTV used to play "videos" i forget how long ago this was

Money: Music is no longer about expression. its about money. Radios and MTV get paid a lot to play music that the record execs want you to hear.

Hip hop/rap: I can remember when hip hop was great. De la soul, and sugar hill gang. Great hip hop. None of this gangsta crap. Now every rap group there is has to mention drive bys and bling bling. The only positive movement in rap music as of lately is eminem ditching dr dre as his producer, so he can produce the music he wants to. Bring back all the old hip hop. It was so much better.

Pop music: The rise of manufactured music has ruined music for everyone. It's pretty much the only thing you get on most commercial radio these days.

All my friends seem to have ditched modern music in favour of old music. Instead of listening to commercial stuff, we all listen to century FM (It's a northern english radio station where you're only one song away from the eighties) Instead of watching MTV when i can't sleep, i'm watching VH1 classic. And instead of seeking the latest band du jour, I'm looking through my dad's CD collection. I know i'm not the only one.
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Originally posted by Robert

Heh, I consider "classic rock" to be that of the 70's

Yeah, talk about lack of perspective! Heck, I remember when I was a teenager and everyone complained about Metallica as popified metal, the demise of the good protest song, the problems of selling out, why Madonna sucks and how everything always sounds the same.

My musical tastes must be positively antideluvian. After all, I prefer the original 1929 "When the Levee Breaks" (performed by one of the best guitar players in history) to the Zepplin cover.
Originally posted by Robert

A good protest song... hehe... that'd make a good thread on its own. I'd give the nod to Arlo Gurthrie's Alice's Restaurant as the best one ever... though admittedly I also thought Neil Young's This Note's For You was a great sarcastic jab at all the pop stars doing corporate commercials:

Ain't Singing for Pepsi, Ain't Singing for Coke

Ain't singing for no one, Makes you look like a joke
Good one. Ronnie Reagan inspired a nice number of them on both sides of the Atlantic some good (Sting's "Russians" and Kate Bush's "Breathe") and some quite miserable ("99 Red Baloons" anybody?)

I guess when was MTV or commercial radio ever the cutting edge of good music? Zappa was lamenting the incompatibility of good music and good radio 20 years ago. Most of the better bands of the 70s and 80s built their audience on word of mouth and only later got radio play when they became classic or commercial. (I never heard Genesis with Peter Gabriel until he went solo.) If you want to hear the good stuff about the only syndicated show that will play it is Little Steven's Underground Garage ( If that dosn't work you are best off finding a college or listner supported station with an audio stream such as kexp (
Originally posted by Tofu

I agree and disagree.

I do think that as you get older you like what you liked when you were a teenager etc and think it's the best era along with a few years gone by but I do think the music today is pretty bad overall. There are some good bands around but I think the music industry/radio stations etc have killed off "real music" That's no secret though of course.
I also think that time and the market weeds out the worst songs and performers from our memory. Duran Duran stopped being "cool" and became "novelty". Anybody really listen to Debbie Gibson, Whitesnake, or Bon Jovi anymore except for the nostalgia value?

But I really don't see this as anything new. Radio and television has always been very conservative in its musical tastes relying on commercial exploitation of other styles. Take a look at the history of Rock and Roll some time. Elvis was brought forward as a rock icon because he was white enough to be acceptable and scandalous enough to pull ratings while doing very little that had not been done by ballsier blues performers in the 1930s. (Compare Elvis Presley's "Mystery Train" to Memphis Minnies 1934 "Chicksaw Train Blues" . But I have a particular fondness for Minnie as not only one of the best lyricists of the genre but one of the best guitar players in history as well.) Jazz was repackaged into the big band sounds.

Yeah the 60s had psychedelic rock, Hendirx, Clapton, Joplin, and the Beatles, but it was also the age of melodramatic manufactured girl bands, bubblegum surf music and tons of novelty songs.
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