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I went to a party night before last at the home of a wealthy man who is in the oil business (didn't know him, knew his friend). This house was quite a distance to drive, so those who were drinking were invited to stay the night.

I can't even begin to describe the number of, and variety of, dead animals mounted in this guy's house. There were so many mounted on the wall, that he had them mounted on the floors and is having an entire section (almost the size of his home) built exclusively for displaying his trophies.


There was an enormous moose, dall sheep, mountain goats, musk ox, deer of various types, all kinds of African animals (he told us, shamelessly, that he goes to Africa twice a year just to kill something new). His coffee table was cluttered with various African safari brochures and such. There were even these tiny African deer like creatures.... about the size of a thin house cat. I was shocked.

I awakened to every type of duck & water foul stuffed on the walls around me (guess I was in the duck room). I'm not sure how I was able to contain myself.... I guess I realized my perdicament (about 40 miles down windy roads, everyone has been drinking...don't need to get into a fight). That morning, I just wanted to get out of there. I only made one remark to him about all the dead animals.....I think I asked, "where's the human?" and "what animal haven't you killed and stuffed on your wall???" - went completely over his head.

My father is a hunting and fishing guide, here in Alaska. I grew up looking at dead animals and pictures of dead animals. I don't understand.

1. Why do these guys do this?

2. Why don't they feel sad when they kill these creatures?

3. What do you say to these people? It doesn't occur to them that there is anything wrong with what they do.

4. How do we end this safari/pay to kill things businesses?

5. What makes them so different from most other people?

When we left, we all met at a restaurant for breakfast. Everyone there was shocked and disgusted by this guys obsession with killing animals. They were all shocked that I didn't lay into him and said they were waiting for the inevitable war and having to get me out of there. I wonder why I didn't say more. Normally, I wouldn't have been able to hold back.... Hmmm....

What do you guys think?
 

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You were a guest in his house. As such, I don't think you had a right to "lay into him". What you did have a right to do was leave as soon as you saw the environment. That is what I probably would have done.
 

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I think I read she said she DIDN'T lay into him, Mouse!! and what she did say whilst at his house, went "over his head" anyway!...

as though out of ear-shot... Probably because coz he's deafened by all the buckshot he's fired at the poor animals and so slay him too!!

His house IS his self indulgent property by whatever terms of LAW as long as its legal, (which of course in no way makes it right when dead animals are being slaughtered for sport) and adorn the walls and that recieve the brunt of a showy offy obsession gone mad but which within that mans home excuses people like this to many a blind eye (one would guess) that is until an unexpecting veggie steps in amongst an influx of guests when it is bound to cause an upsurge in some heavy contraversy and strong feelings/opinions.(even if unsaid/unspoken).

Hunters whom designate exclusive showrooms to animal trophies

deserve a piece of mind, ....(even if at times it has to be said lowkey-ISH when within that persons home).... Horrid in any case.
 

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Hm... On the other hand, he's not exactly subtle about the hunting thing himself. I mean if it's really that braggy and in-the-face that most visitors were disturbed by it, then he at least can expect that not everyone will be pleased about this bizarre exhibition.

Of course, a *war* is a stupid thing. I would not 'flame' or anything - I think I'm quite incabable of doing so face to face anyway. But, if the situation would have permitted, I maybe would have asked him why he has to kill the animals, what it is that he gets out of sport hunting. How the dialogue would have gone from there, would have depended on his answer and again on the situation. As I said, I think he at least has to expect some questions of this sort. (And, I'm sure that he already had some absurd and self-righteous answers ready for the case!).

I wonder how much nicer those rooms would have looked with brilliant color photographs of alive animals in their natural environment. I mean can't these sport hunters hunt with a camera??

That said, I don't know why you didn't say more. It depends on you, and on the situation. I think it was OK not to say anything.

Thanks for sharing the story.
 

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Hold on a minute please, I changed my wording from "subtley" to

"lowkey" whilst not realizing you were meanwhile posting and quoting my use of the word subtle as the word happened to be in this case!....etc...
MY EDIT (above) was not a reaction to your post submitting the word "subtle".

I don't mean "subtle" is always the best way, only sometimes!!!!

And besides I deem "LowKey" more appropiate as a word here.
 

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Why do sport hunter do what they do?

I know more about the bases of Deer hunters then safari hunters, But I can bet you anything that his father hunted.

Also, many (Deer) hunters believe that what they are doing is right, and is, in fact, helping the Deer.
(BULL)

There is also the macho I'm-a-man-look-what-i-can-kill thing, but by far the main reason would have to be tradition. hunters fathers hunted. hunters sons will hunt. Its a chain that implants a message of be-a-man:kill into people at a young age. This is, of coarse, not a undefeatable matter. I know I few people who use to hunt and are now Vegan and anti-hunter! (that is, antis, as they call us.)
 

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I'm so sorry you experienced that. I think I would have been silent too. The shock of it probably made you unable to put words together at the time.

However, when you said something the following morning, his ignorance made him unable to respond in an intelligent manner.

He's like, "what? aren't they beautiful?" People like that are so deeply into the killing, they will never see the beauty of those animals alive.

If it moves, shoot it!! Sad, wish we could snap our fingers and make it stop. People like you, though, will keep the rest of us aware, lest we forget.
 

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Mouse, to some extent I agree with your point that it was his house and it would have been rude to remark on his ghastly obsession. Then, I thought, what if you walked into someone's house and they hit their wife? What if they had child pornography displayed? What if they were human heads on the wall? At what point does polite become spineless and enabling?

Ultimately, it would not have done any good to go at it with this guy. He is obviously too far gone.

What got me the most were the little deer. Pygmy antelopes or something. They were so tiny.... who would feel powerful killing them? He had at least a dozen displayed in various ways (some alone, some in groups of 4 or more). The elaborate displays and taxidermy alone must cost a fortune.

I just don't get it. Everyone at that party thought the guy's obsession was sick- Why doesn't he pick up on that?
 

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What got me the most were the little deer. Pygmy antelopes or something. They were so tiny.... who would feel powerful killing them?
I'm guessing they aren't the only things this guy has that are tiny.
 

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No, they were white with some black stripes....I think down their backs and had little antlers....like little antelopes or something. They were sooo small. There was also an armadillo and an aligator..... It was sick.
 

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Well, the closest I could find on the internet is a little african deer like creature called a clipspringer. Looks like what he had....
 

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People who kill for trophies disgust me...the worst of it is, they cannot even claim to be sporting or immersed in nature, because most of them go on paid safaris where ever element of sport or chance has been removed. It becomes the moral equivalent of going to the pound and shooting the dogs in their cages.
 

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I know....it is disgusting. If I were invincible and above the law, I would take these folks on a hunting trip. Once we got out there, I would turn my gun to them and say "You've got a 10 second head start. RUN!!!"

Guess that is not funny. I know there has always been a circle of very wealthy people who go over to parts of Asia (Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand) and "hire" locals to come out to little islands as servants. Once they get there, they give them a number of hours to run and hide and then they hunt them for the week. How sick....but true. I have suspected that my obsessed animal killer father may have been involved with something like that. He has been a professional hunting and fishing guide for like 30 yeats now and spends 6 months of every year in Asia..... Hmmmm....

Makes sense... after you have killed thousands of animals of all sorts, you need a bigger thrill.....why not humans?
 

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I saw, if you want to hunt, get yourself a sharpened stick and HUNT...preferably something with large claws and fangs. Buying $4500 worth of equipment to hunt an herbivore with an IQ of 16 cannot under any circumstance be considered 'sport'.
 

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not to be picky, but an IQ of 16? IQ test are not at all accrete, and in the way you are using it, would in no way would determine the outcome of a hunting trip.

Bugger, I sound like a hunter. I am NOT!

(<------) I HATE sport hunting.
 

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not to be picky, but an IQ of 16? IQ test are not at all accrete, and in the way you are using it, would in no way would determine the outcome of a hunting trip.

Bugger, I sound like a hunter. I am NOT!

(<------) I HATE sport hunting.
I picked the number '16' as being illustrative, not as an actual analysis of the intelligence of some deer. Being nitpicky, huh?

I just think that if you are going to hunt, you should do it as one animal to another.
 

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Mouse, to some extent I agree with your point that it was his house and it would have been rude to remark on his ghastly obsession. Then, I thought, what if you walked into someone's house and they hit their wife? What if they had child pornography displayed? What if they were human heads on the wall? At what point does polite become spineless and enabling?

You don't see the difference between murder or child pornography (both illegal) and hunting trophies (legal)?
 
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