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What to do, what to do. Fast food is SO bad for you, but people think it's normal to be fat----not just fat, OBESE. I feel like protesting at every McDonald's I walk by!<br><br><br><br>
Here's an article I saw today:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030508-122935-5868r" target="_blank">http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=...8-122935-5868r</a><br><br><br><br><br><br>
It's sick, really. What's wrong with these places SuperSizing everything? A person's stomach is the size of their fist, yet they'll cram 4 fists worth of FRENCH fries (I love the French!) and a double size horrible "beef" burger into their face and think they ate a good hearty lunch.<br><br><br><br>
And if it's not bad enough to make America the fattest country in the world, McDonalds has to move on to other countries and poison them too!<br><br><br><br>
Is there anything the Veg world can to to fight these bastards?
 

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Obviously we should never go to these places. We can also encourage other people not to go to them for whatever reason will work for the person.
 

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um, who are *you* to decide it's not "normal" to be fat? that statement is extremely prejudiced.<br><br><br><br>
not all fat people eat at fast food restaurants and you're wrong if you think that fat people eat *more* than thin people. there has been no conclusive evidence to prove that postulate.<br><br><br><br>
our society *is* getting fatter, that much is true. but it is NOT true that all fat people are fat because they eat too much junk food.
 

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there's a difference between unhealthy-fat and healthy-big.<br><br>
some people are bigger or smaller than others. doesn't mean they eat crap.<br><br><br><br>
but i do agree that society encourages us to eat in a way that is unhealthy and does contribute to *unhealthy* weight gain. getting big from over-eating a ton of greasy unhealthy junkfood is obviously not a good thing. being big just because you're big but you eat healthy, are active, and have no health problems, is obviously not a problem.<br><br><br><br>
i think some people encourage naturally big but healthy people to be happy with their size and that's great, but some people are taking it out context and saying it's good to go stuff yourself with junk and be obese in an unhealthy way as long as you don't care what others think<br><br><br><br>
i guess it's important to look at issues like that from more than one angle and not assume anything or generalize
 

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first, i hardly jumped down anyone's throat. that being said, i think it's wrong to perpetuate incorrect stereotypes and contribute to prejudiced thinking.<br><br><br><br>
and i think that anyone who is a victim of said stereotypes and prejudiced thinking has a right to feel angry about it, and call people on it, when it happens.<br><br><br><br>
seriously, that's like telling a jewish person to not get upset or say anything when someone makes an anti-semitic statement.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Kreeli</i><br><br><b>first, i hardly jumped down anyone's throat. that being said, i think it's wrong to perpetuate incorrect stereotypes and contribute to prejudiced thinking.<br><br><br><br>
and i think that anyone who is a victim of said stereotypes and prejudiced thinking has a right to feel angry about it, and call people on it, when it happens.<br><br><br><br>
seriously, that's like telling a jewish person to not get upset or say anything when someone makes an anti-semitic statement.</b></div>
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Hmmm. Let's see, Kreeli...<br><br><br><br>
A) She wasn't talking specifically about you.<br><br><br><br>
B) I agree that her sweeping generalization was both inaccurate and could be considered offensive.<br><br><br><br>
C) I never disagreed that someone could disagree with someone else here or anywhere else. Ever. But I do think it's wrong to use language such as "who are you to..." when disagreeing. It's extremely contentious and unconstructive.<br><br><br><br>
D) I also agree that it's wrong to perpetuate incorrect stereotypes, etc. But I also think it's wrong to attack someone for innocently doing so. Just because you're more aware of it doesn't mean everyone else is. Our language is loaded. There's a lot of deprogramming that has to go on before people learn to speak in a way that isn't offensive to others. Perhaps those who are supposedly more enlightened could show a little more patience for those who are still catching up. For instance, I know some people who still say oriental instead of asian. They don't mean to be rude; it's simply what they learned when they were growing up. Getting angry about it doesn't solve anything. Politely explaining why it's considered rude is much more helpful, and the person will be much less defensive about it.<br><br><br><br>
E) While you may not consider your post "jumping down someone's throat," it sure seemed that way to me. I'd hate to see what you write when you think you're jumping down someone's throat.<br><br><br><br>
F) Her overall point, though again overgeneralized, was that fast food restaurants are guilty of increasing their portions and contributing to the obesity of America. You chose to attack her for the way she presented this point of view rather than the point of view itself. My personal criticism with the whole topic is that people need to take a lot more responsibility for their eating habits, much less all the other stupid stuff they do.<br><br><br><br>
G) w/r/t you analogy to anti-semitism, I obviously see your point. However, the issue here isn't one of intentional prejudice, but rather ignorance. You're taking a person making an innocent, albeit <i>misguided</i>, observation and flying off the handle rather than taking the time to explain<br><br><br><br><b>Who</b> are you, and what is your experience relevant to your complaint?<br><br><br><br><i>Example</i>: I'm epski, and I've wrestled with weight problems for years. I can't get a handle on my weight no matter how little I eat and how much I exercise. I hate the way I look, and I hate the way society tells me I'm fat, even though I'm doing everything "right."<br><br><br><br><b>What</b> specifically is your criticism of the post?<br><br><br><br><i>Example</i>: Your post is misleading and inaccurate. Let me tell you why, and how to correct it in the future.<br><br><br><br><b>Why</b> is the post a problem for you and perhaps others?<br><br><br><br><i>Example</i>: I've had to put up with so many uninformed people over the years that think the same way as your post. It upset me because it perpetuates the destructive, incorrect stereotypes about a certain subset of people. Now would be a good time to give the anti-semitic example to make the problem clearer for the reader.<br><br><br><br><b>How</b> can the poster refrain from similar occurences in the future?<br><br><br><br><i>Example</i>: Knowing that not all fat people eat more than skinny people (etc.) should help you be more sensitive to others in future posts on this subject. Thanks for hearing me out, and thanks for bringing this article my attention.<br><br><br><br>
I'm only going through these painfully obvious steps to make my point. If you give this information to a person, they can <i>understand</i> where you're coming from, so your post is much less likely come off as an attack, and it becomes constructive criticism instead, which is always helpful in any community that values the growth of friendships.
 

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thank you for you for the patronizing lesson in etiquette, and how to be more "constructive" when i notice fat-hating going down on these boards. i have something to say in response, however.<br><br><br><br>
there is such a thing as "righteous anger". people who are victims of institutionalized oppression are taught from an early age to keep their anger in, to express themselves only in "appropriate" ways, and to not hurt anyone's feelings, even <i>when</i> that someone has said something hurtful, demeaning, or prejudiced to them. this schooling in how to handle/express "righteous anger" is another tool used by a society to keep certain groups of people <i>down</i>. i disagree with the notion that i, as a fat person, have to be exceedingly nice and polite to someone espousing fatphobic views. perhaps the original poster in this thread will come here and feel i jumped down his/her throat and become defensive and not want to hear what i'm saying. that isn't my fault. that is their fault for not <i>listening</i> when a fat person tells them their thinking is wrong. nothing i said was a personal attack. however, since this poster stated that fat people are not "normal", and since i am a fat person, they, in fact, called <i>me</i> abnormal. that is a personal attack if i ever read one. saying it wasn't directed at me, personally, (to use a tired analogy) is like telling a jewish person that the anti-semite didn't mean <i>they</i> are a money-grubber. it's just all those "other" jews.<br><br><br><br>
frankly, i'm not interested in protecting the feelings of someone who isn't interested in protecting my own feelings. nor am i interested in learning in how to more appropriately express my disgust and anger with how fat people are constantly and consistently degraded by society in general, and by this vegetarian community, specifically. i spent the first 25 years of my life being polite to bigots and ignorant people and it never made a single one of them change their views about fat people. i can talk until i'm blue in the face, in a very 'constructive' and 'educational' manner, and still, nothing every changes. people still think the same things about me, and fat people everywhere. i'm tired of being nice when someone dumps **** on me. it never got me anywhere. maybe my being more abrupt will get people to open their eyes. maybe someone will actually <i>understand</i> that these kinds of statements <i>hurt</i> people in a very real way, that they make us <i>angry</i>, and in turn, stop doing it (yeah, right). either way, i don't stand a chance. so why shouldn't i express my true feelings, my very real hurt feelings, my very real anger (that i have ever right to)?<br><br><br><br>
i have learned in the last four + years of participating here that if *i* don't stand up for myself (a fat person), nobody else will. case in point...why didn't you, a person who is obviously aware of fat prejudice, and who saw the problems with the original post, come forward to more <i>constructively</i> bring the problem to the original poster's attention? why should it have to be <i>me</i>, the person who obviously feels very hurt by these kinds of posts, educating everyone about it? it is not my job to help people unlearn their prejudices and biases. i spend my whole life just dealing with the prejudices and biases themselves. i don't want to spend my free time trying to teach other people about them. that's hardly fair to me, a fat vegan just looking for a safe harbour to talk about vegetarianism and animal rights without having to constantly defend myself from a steady stream of ignorance about fatness.<br><br><br><br>
i find it interesting, especially, that it's the original poster with the ignorant point of view that is being defended by you, and not the fat people who may read this thread and feel hurt, offended and degraded because of it.<br><br><br><br>
again, epski, thanks. but no thanks.
 

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Ya know... I just do not buy into the whole eating at fast food restaurants causes people to be overweight nonsense. As an example... for years, and I do mean years, I would go to McDonald's and order 2 Big Macs, a large fries, some McNuggets, a milkshake and a cherry or apple pie. That was a very typical order for me for a good 15 or 18 years. and I would eat there 2 or 3 times per week (or a similar fast food joint). I remained around 160 lbs. throughout the entire time, give or take a few pounds.<br><br><br><br>
OTOH, a friend of mine who is a bit overweight.... if he ordered so much as anything but a salad, people would snicker and make rude comments. I just do not buy into the whole blame game of a fast food restaurant contributing to anything. Some folks are just naturally bigger than others and to this day, I still eat a lot more at a sitting than any of my bigger friends do.<br><br><br><br>
I find it pretty amazing how times have changed. By today's ridiculous standards, Marilyn Monroe, Jayne Mansfield, Mamie Van Doren, et al would be considered overweight. But leave it to the fashion world, Hollywood and the media to alter public perception as to what is "attractive".
 

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There is far more obesity today than 50 years ago. Why? Well, we could assume that it's because more people have glandular problems. However, I have yet to see any study alleging this. A more likely culprit is the fact that a lot of the food our society eats is dangerous, especially in large quantities. This combined, with less exercise (thank TV, internet, etc.) is a recipe for obesity.<br><br><br><br>
Sure, some people can eat lots of unhealthy food and not get fat. They still have heart disease to worry about though. And yeah, our society has some pretty harsh expectations for men and women (especially). This doesn't change the fact that lots of excess weight is a health risk.<br><br><br><br>
One of my friends used to be somewhat overweight. He was teased, mostly because he has a twin brother who was thinner. This guy totally transformed himself by changing his eating habits and exercising. He isn't a health food type, but he does eat less things like fast food, desserts, etc. He is now 180 lbs of muscle and everyone who made fun of him is totally jealous.<br><br><br><br>
I guess my point is that no matter why a person is fat, eating a lot of fast food won't help. Thin people shouldn't eat that crap either.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Kreeli</i><br><br><b>thank you for you for the patronizing lesson in etiquette</b></div>
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I figured you would consider it patronizing. I'm surprised you didn't also call it condescending. I was expecting that.<br><br><br><br>
You do have a lot of anger (and I certainly understand it). I'm sorry people have treated you so crappy in the past, but I'm not those people. I'm merely trying to promote understanding between board members. I guess it wasn't my place, but I thought I could make a difference...<br><br><br><br>
I didn't correct the initial poster because I don't generally comment on the way people phrase things about off-board topics (I'm not the PC police, believe it not), but when people start up with each other on the boards, which I consider my veggie home, I feel compelled to step in.<br><br><br><br>
I never once disagreed with your right to take exception to the post, to be angry, to do anything but pull the "who do you think you are?" bit. Do you ever forgive people for their ignorance or making mistakes, or are they doomed to be bad people for all of eternity? Look, I know I'm not the poster, and I'm sure I didn't need to step in at all. I'm not even a moderator. But I have a little righteous anger myself at people who lash out without getting to know where a person is coming from first. Maybe you and I have something in common.<br><br><br><br>
As a community member, it saddens me to see such reactionary anger channeled so unconstructively.<br><br><br><br>
Still, anytime someone advises an angry person how to do things calmly and constructively, he or she is considered patronizing, even if that wasn't the intention. And that's what it is really about for you.<br><br><br><br>
No one meant to antagonize you personally, but your "righteous" anger is so out of control that you don't seem to realize that.<br><br><br><br>
At any rate, I do apologize for not minding my own business, but I do read these boards, too, and I'm tired of seeing people jump on each other at the slightest provocation. I take the motto "where friendships grow" seriously.<br><br><br><br>
Truce?<br><br><br><br>
Humbly,<br><br><br><br>
epski<br><br><br><br>
PS - my post has started out simple enough, but edits expanded it to its unwieldy state.
 

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Aside from all the arguments that have been generated here, I think it's safe to assume that fast food isn't the healthiest of food. It is exactly what it says it is: Junk food<br><br><br><br>
I don't think laws should be passed against fast food restaurants, but that the general public should be more aware that it is junk food, and if you eat it every day then you can't expect to be healthy.<br><br><br><br>
Obesity is a huge problem, and I think the solution lies in education and changing consumer attitudes. It's not just fast food that is to blame. All kinds of junk food contribute to obesity, as well as a lot of non-junk foods which are eaten in excessive quantities. I'm no health nut or anything, but I do believe that fast food isn't good for you if you eat it every day, though I support the ideology that every once in a while, it's good to pig out, though i have to laugh at the people who go to McD's and get a cheeseburger and fries w/ diet coke, thinking that the diet coke makes up for all the other calories they consume!!<br><br><br><br>
But if you want some expert advice on why there's an obesity problem, you need to blame the "EVIL CARBOHYDRATES" These carbohydrates lurk everywhere, pouncing upon unsuspecting victims, turning them from thin people to fat. So beware of the bread, for the carbs lurk within!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br>
(BTW, that last paragraph was sarcastic, but you probably already knew that.)
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Peebs</i><br><br><b>This doesn't change the fact that lots of excess weight is a health risk.</b></div>
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would you mind backing that statement up with some kind of proof?<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><b>One of my friends used to be somewhat overweight. He was teased, mostly because he has a twin brother who was thinner. This guy totally transformed himself by changing his eating habits and exercising. He isn't a health food type, but he does eat less things like fast food, desserts, etc. He is now 180 lbs of muscle and everyone who made fun of him is totally jealous.</b></div>
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it is sad that someone can only feel "worthy" when they fit into society's idea what they should look like, isn't it?<br><br><br><br>
guess what! lots of fat people i know have changed their eating habits and started getting exercise, and they're still fat! but they're healthy! this isn't about whether or not a person is healthy, though, is it. this is about using fat people as scapegoats for many of the ills we are experiencing in our society today.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><b>I guess my point is that no matter why a person is fat, eating a lot of fast food won't help. Thin people shouldn't eat that crap either.</b></div>
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and my point is that it's unfair that fat people are singled out as the evidence that fast food is a problem in our society. prove to me that more fat than thin people eat fast food.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by epski</i><br><br><b>I figured you would consider it patronizing. I'm surprised you didn't also call it condescending.<br><br><br><br>
You have a lot of anger. I'm sorry people have treated you so crappy in the past, but I'm not those people. I'm merely trying to promote understanding between board members. Forgive me for thinking I could make a difference... and for the sarcasm.</b></div>
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i don't need you to feel sorry for me. yes, i get angry when people stereotype me, and you would too, if you were in my position. i don't feel bad about my anger--it is a vital tool i use to survive and try to change things that i don't like about this world. much the same way people who feel strongly about animal rights and welfare use their anger to do conciousness-raising among the unenlightened. what i do need you (and everyone) to do, is to educate yourselves about fat, health, and fat prejudice, and to speak up about it once you think you've got it figured out. that, more than anything, will promote understanding between board members, and in turn, make a huge difference on this board.
 

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huh. well. i'm not sure where you think i got "out of control" there. i really think you've made more out of my original post than there was.<br><br><br><br>
as far as i can see, i was clear, and to the point. the fact that my anger showed was deliberate, not something i was out of control of at any point. i may have been abrupt, but i did not attack anyone personally.<br><br><br><br>
you say you consider these boards your "home". for the record, epski, i have called these boards my "veggie home" for several years now, and for several years now, i have tried to *very politely and 'constructively'* talk about fatphobia and fat prejudice when these types of threads have come up. if you are at all familliar with me on these boards, you will see it's fairly uncommon for me to lose my temper, for real, with anyone. even when they are completely and utterly annoying (and this does not refer to anyone who's posted in this thread). in fact, i very rarely even venture into the debate threads because conflict just isnt my thing. but this was personal. imagine, if you will, a person coming into <i>your</i> home and calling you abnormal and blaming your "type" for so many of the ills in our society today. how would you react? why, you'd probably get angry and tell them so, if you didn't out-and-out toss them over the doorstep, never to return. right? that's exactly what happened here with me. someone came into my home, insulted me, and now i'm supposed to defend my right to feel angry about that? i'm just not following.<br><br><br><br>
just because the way i approached this dialogue was different from your allegedly more "constructive" method, doesn't mean i'm "out of control". it just means we approach some things differently. you can be cool, calm and collected all you want, if it works for you. but unless you see me violating the board's guidelines, i'd appreciate it if you didn't lecture me on how to word my posts.<br><br><br><br>
thanks, and peace out.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Kreeli</i><br><br><b>i don't need you to feel sorry for me. yes, i get angry when people stereotype me, and you would too, if you were in my position. i don't feel bad about my anger--it is a vital tool i use to survive and try to change things that i don't like about this world. much the same way people who feel strongly about animal rights and welfare use their anger to do conciousness-raising among the unenlightened. what i do need you (and everyone) to do, is to educate yourselves about fat, health, and fat prejudice, and to speak up about it once you think you've got it figured out. that, more than anything, will promote understanding between board members, and in turn, make a huge difference on this board.</b></div>
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People have stereotyped me all my life. Not for my weight, but for other things I'll keep private. But I do know what it feels like to have incorrect prejudices applied to me, Kreeli. I've never fit anyone's definition of "normal."<br><br><br><br>
All I was trying to do here, as I do in my daily life, is to promote understanding. That is my way. Hopefully the original poster reads your message and realizes a mistake was made, and wonders why the heck I "ran" unnecessarily to "the rescue."<br><br><br><br>
I've already said you were in the right to point out the ignorance implicit in the post. I only had a problem with the level of hostility I detected in your post. It seemed out of line at the time I read it.<br><br><br><br>
Just to clarify something, I don't feel sorry for you. I feel sorry that *ssholes exist in the world that treat people different from them with disrespect and worse. I was saying sorry because I know how it feels, and it makes me feel bad. I wasn't saying sorry to be condescending. Please remove the chip from your shoulder when we communicate. I truly mean you no antagonism.<br><br><br><br>
Part of the reason I come to these boards is to learn more from others, including you. Feel free to share what you think I should know about fat, health, and fat prejudice. We could all benefit. It's a positive thing to be a sort of emissary for a subgroup of people. All of us veg*ns do the same thing every day with omnis. It's part of who we are. Why get defensive about it and tell ignorant people off? Let's educate people and win friends instead of enemies.<br><br><br><br>
I know I'd rather be your friend than your enemy. Life's too short and people are too valuable.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Kreeli</i><br><br><b>huh. well. i'm not sure where you think i got "out of control" there. i really think you've made more out of my original post than there was.<br><br><br><br>
as far as i can see, i was clear, and to the point. the fact that my anger showed was deliberate, not something i was out of control of at any point. i may have been abrupt, but i did not attack anyone personally.<br><br><br><br>
if you are at all familliar with me on these boards, you will see it's fairly uncommon for me to lose my temper, for real, with anyone. even when they are completely and utterly annoying (and this does not refer to anyone who's posted in this thread). in fact, i very rarely even venture into the debate threads because conflict just isnt my thing. but this was personal.<br><br><br><br>
i'd appreciate it if you didn't lecture me on how to word my posts.<br><br><br><br>
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I think I've already acknowledged that I was out of line ("I didn't need to step in at all.") in trying to "moderate" you. I don't think I literally apologized, so please accept my apologies now. Someone call the control freak police on me. As I look back on this thread-within-a-thread, as much as I still think you were out of line, I was equally out of line in stating so. It wasn't personal for me, so it was none of my business.<br><br><br><br>
I still don't think the original post was meant personally for you. She didn't say "Kreeli, you're fat. How can you let yourself get like that?" Damn, Kreeli, I'd have laid into her, too, for a comment like that.<br><br><br><br>
Still, I can see how you would "take it personally," seeing as how you have such personal connections to the issue. The reason I laid out all that garbage in my first post (that I'll never live down, but I'll leave up on this page for the sake of my own humility) was because it seemed helpful to consider another way of looking at this scenario that allowed you to explain how words like that make you feel, and to address them openly without attacking anyone.<br><br><br><br>
As much as I must have blown your original post of proportion, you have also blown my "out of control" observation out of proportion as well. I stand corrected that it was not an uncontrolled "lashing out." I don't think I could post something as harsh as I considered your post to be unless I was reacting defensively or angrily in the moment, and I would probably regret it later. But I guess that is a difference between us that I have learned and will respect.<br><br><br><br>
I'm not terribly familiar with your posts on these boards for whatever reasons, probably because you <i>do</i> avoid conflict, which tends to be more memorable than welcoming newbies to the board and other daily pleasures.<br><br><br><br>
You've clearly been around here a lot longer than I have, so I defer to the description you gave of yourself. I'm sure you're very right, and I'm sure we'll get along fabulously if we can both simply put this episode behind us and chalk it up to "bonding."
 

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i mean you no ill will, either epski. i just don't think we're connecting on this. i have no "chip" on "my shoulder". i'm getting slightly annoyed that you chose my post, out of all the antagonistic posts that get put up on these boards every day, to pick apart and criticize...when it wasn't *i* who posted something offensive in the first place. this is a "blame the victim" mentality that goes on so often when people try to talk about how institutionalized oppression affects them, and when they try to point it out to others.<br><br><br><br>
i never tried to make enemies. i made my point, with words that you, personally, found unsavory. i feel i had every right to word my post the way that i did, to get my point across. i did not "tell anyone off".<br><br><br><br>
and finally, i have no desire to be this boards "fat emissary". if you are truly interested in making friends with me, with understanding my point of view, have a look around the internet at some of the size positive materials that are available. you can be VB's first "fat ally", so that fatties like me who are living life in a world that hates them, don't have to do no edumacating.
 

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"would you mind backing that statement up with some kind of proof?"<br><br><br><br>
Here is one article:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.healthandage.com/PHome/gid2=1279" target="_blank">http://www.healthandage.com/PHome/gid2=1279</a><br><br><br><br>
It is not hard to find plenty more.<br><br><br><br>
"it is sad that someone can only feel "worthy" when they fit into society's idea what they should look like, isn't it?<br><br><br><br>
guess what! lots of fat people i know have changed their eating habits and started getting exercise, and they're still fat! but they're healthy! this isn't about whether or not a person is healthy, though, is it. this is about using fat people as scapegoats for many of the ills we are experiencing in our society today."<br><br><br><br>
Sorry you think my friend's case is so sad. If getting fit makes him feel good then he should do it. Accepting and loving yourself involves realizing you are not perfect, and then trying to improve yourself if you so desire. In this case he saw getting fit as an improvement. As for me, I am freakishly tall, lanky and have some fat on my body I am trying to get rid of. This makes me feel good, it does not make me a sell out.<br><br><br><br>
As for fat people being scapegoats: yeah they are and it's wrong. But not every fat person is fat because of unfortunate genetics, just as not every fat person eats lots of junk food.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
"and my point is that it's unfair that fat people are singled out as the evidence that fast food is a problem in our society. prove to me that more fat than thin people eat fast food."<br><br><br><br>
I did not alledge this. I am saying that if a person is fat, and wants to lose weight, McDonald's might not be the best choice for lunch. In fact, it's bad for ANYONE. I don't think I have to explain why. Are you trying to say that there is no connection between eating lots of fast food and gaining weight? These foods are loaded with calories and low in nutritional value.<br><br><br><br>
Please read this: <a href="http://www.vegsource.com/klaper/optimum.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vegsource.com/klaper/optimum.htm</a><br><br><br><br>
I'm not trying to criticize anyone here. I don't hate fat people. I'm also not about ignore the truth because it is unpleasant: eating lots of garbage food can make a person gain weight and become unhealthy. Years ago I was very unhealthy: I weighed 215 lbs, none of it muscle. I wasn't obese, but I was getting there. This is because all I did was sit around, get high, and eat junk food. Little exercise. My point is that this kind of behaviour can make a person fat, just as jwnyc wanted to say that eating lots of fast food can make a person fat. And if our society is getting to the point where health doesn't matter and we should just do whatever feels good all the time, then that is a problem.
 
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