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<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/ny-motorcyclist-dies-ride-protesting-helmet-law-143217859.html" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/ny-motorcyclis...143217859.html</a><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"> And the Darwin Award goes to...<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">ONONDAGA, N.Y. (AP) Police say a motorcyclist participating in a protest ride against helmet laws in upstate New York died after he flipped over the bike's handlebars and hit his head on the pavement.<br>
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e accident happened Saturday afternoon in the town of Onondaga, in central New York near Syracuse.<br>
State troopers tell The Post-Standard of Syracuse that 55-year-old Philip A. Contos of Parish, N.Y., was driving a 1983 Harley Davidson with a group of bikers who were protesting helmet laws by not wearing helmets.<br>
Troopers say Contos hit his brakes and the motorcycle fishtailed. The bike spun out of control, and Contos toppled over the handlebars. He was pronounced dead at a hospital.<br>
Troopers say Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet.</div>
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Ironic.....<br><br>
I'm not laughing though.
 

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that's a dumbass proving the other side of the argument, and sacrificing his own neck to do it. hopefully, some of the other dumbasses he was riding with will gain a bit of sense, though i wouldn't hold out hope for it.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>AddieB</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2929972"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Sorry, but I can't laugh at someone dying like this...</div>
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It's always sad when someone dies, but this is such a ridiculous death it feels like it could have been written by The Onion! He killed himself by not wearing a helmet, while protesting helmet laws... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/dizzy2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":dizzy:">
 

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I've never rode on a motorcycle so maybe I'm not understanding something. But what's so great about not using a helmet? I would just imagine it would be annoying to be hit in the face by all those bugs!
 

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I'd have to see the numbers.<br><br>
It's possible for anyone to die. Per mile, walking is as risky as bicycling, but we wouldn't see the humor in a pedestrian dying if they weren't wearing a helmet.
 

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This actually got me thinking... Yes I agree it's funny. Sad for the family, sad that he died, but the situation is still funny, and I say that as someone who actually understands what he was thinking. Maybe he likes the wind in his face, maybe it's just principle, who knows. But as ironic as the outcome of this situation was, people have to be able to make their own choices. I've done my share of stupid things, and some of them were a lot of fun. Maybe I wanna go cliff diving. Maybe I wanna see if I can survive a one minute swim in the Arctic. Maybe I want to step into a ring and have a friendly sparring match with a fellow martial artist. Maybe I wanna grab a snorkel and go try to pet some sharks. And if my parachute fails to open and I go splat, if I hit the water and immediately go into shock and sink like a rock, if a lucky (or unlucky) punch puts me in a coma, or if the sharks suddenly decide to freaking eat me, I better get a Darwin award for it, and people better laugh when they read about it. You may not understand what was going through his mind, and why he felt like something as simple as his right to not wear a helmet was so important, but understanding is not a prerequisite for compromising so that we can all lead our own lives as we see fit.<br><br>
How many people die each year as a result of alcohol? Swimming? Each year, several children die from baseball related injuries. Should all of these things be illegal, or should we simply accept the fact that living, with death being the inevitable end result, is risky, and try to at least have a sense of humor about it? Sure, I want to live my life to the fullest. But my definition of living life to the fullest may not be the same as yours, or this guy's.
 

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Ya i'm good with people making their own choices completely, but then you have to accept the consequences.
 

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I find it ironic and I hope the other cyclists learn from this. Motorcycles scare me. I've known way too many people that have lost loved ones because of motorcycle accidents.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>AddieB</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2929972"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Sorry, but I can't laugh at someone dying like this...</div>
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Yeah this is what I was thinking, I see the irony, but it's still sad not funny that somebody died.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>nomad888</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2930121"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
This actually got me thinking... Yes I agree it's funny. Sad for the family, sad that he died, but the situation is still funny, and I say that as someone who actually understands what he was thinking. Maybe he likes the wind in his face, maybe it's just principle, who knows. But as ironic as the outcome of this situation was, people have to be able to make their own choices. I've done my share of stupid things, and some of them were a lot of fun. Maybe I wanna go cliff diving. Maybe I wanna see if I can survive a one minute swim in the Arctic. Maybe I want to step into a ring and have a friendly sparring match with a fellow martial artist. Maybe I wanna grab a snorkel and go try to pet some sharks. And if my parachute fails to open and I go splat, if I hit the water and immediately go into shock and sink like a rock, if a lucky (or unlucky) punch puts me in a coma, or if the sharks suddenly decide to freaking eat me, I better get a Darwin award for it, and people better laugh when they read about it. You may not understand what was going through his mind, and why he felt like something as simple as his right to not wear a helmet was so important, but understanding is not a prerequisite for compromising so that we can all lead our own lives as we see fit.</div>
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While it's nice to live in a world with unlimited personal freedoms, it comes at a cost to society for all of us (especially in my country) where people who are injuried in accidents that could have been prevented, cost the state govts billions of dollars in medical care and rehab, and those who can never work again due to their injuries become a burden on the welfare state. That's why laws such as these come about.
 

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I'm not happy that someone died and I don't think it's funny. But I do hope other cyclists and motorcyclists see this and think about how stupid the anti-helmet movement is. It's like campaigning against road crossings or seatbelts...
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Nishani</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2930460"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
While it's nice to live in a world with unlimited personal freedoms, it comes at a cost to society for all of us (especially in my country) where people who are injuried in accidents that could have been prevented, cost the state govts billions of dollars in medical care and rehab, and those who can never work again due to their injuries become a burden on the welfare state. That's why laws such as these come about.</div>
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You're saying that because of what risks you are comfortable with, and what risks scare you.<br><br>
Think I'm wrong?<br><br>
If I said someone died while in an automobile, and they weren't wearing a helmet, would you think they were foolishly risky? Of course not. But a helmet would offer protection, would it not? After all, automotive racers use them. They have even designed an <a href="http://casr.adelaide.edu.au/developments/headband/" target="_blank">automotive headband</a> that would prevent up to $380 million in costs from vehicle injuries in Australia alone.<br><br>
Would you be against a law requiring automobile drivers to wear helmets? How about five point restraint systems?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>das_nut</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2930481"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
You're saying that because of what risks you are comfortable with, and what risks scare you.<br></div>
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I'm saying it because I'm a nurse.
 

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Well in regards to this particular topic I happen to agree. Helmets, seat belts, etc. provide a benefit that far outweighs the cost, and I personally have no problem with the fact that they are required. But I can think of countless other things that serve no real purpose that are vastly more taxing on the system than physical injuries, including but not limited to alcohol use, tobacco, and sugar consumption. If I don't happen to enjoy any of those and instead get my kicks out of being am adrenaline junkie, why should someone like me be singled out as a burden to the health care system while the remaining 90% of the population drains billions just because they have a sweet tooth or enjoy getting trashed every weekend? There is no consistency. If other people get to be a burden, so do I <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>nomad888</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2930500"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Well in regards to this particular topic I happen to agree. Helmets, seat belts, etc. provide a benefit that far outweighs the cost, and I personally have no problem with the fact that they are required. But I can think of countless other things that serve no real purpose that are vastly more taxing on the system than physical injuries, including but not limited to alcohol use, tobacco, and sugar consumption. If I don't happen to enjoy any of those and instead get my kicks out of being am adrenaline junkie, why should someone like me be singled out as a burden to the health care system while the remaining 90% of the population drains billions just because they have a sweet tooth or enjoy getting trashed every weekend? There is no consistency. If other people get to be a burden, so do I <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"></div>
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Fair point, although in my country probably not yours so much, the govt is starting to reign some of that in too with health campaigns directed at healthy eating for kids and heavy anti-smoking stuff. An all out ban on smoking is probably only a few years away in Aus.
 
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