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I don't know about you guys, but I get so frustrated with things like this..<br><br><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070216/fish_kids_070216/20070216?hub=Health" target="_blank">http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...216?hub=Health</a><br><br><br><br>
"Pregnant moms who eat fish may have smarter kids"<br><br><br><br>
IT'S NOT THE FISH!!! It's the nutrients IN the fish. Why is that so hard to say, or understand? I read an article (or my boss gave me an article) when I was pregnant that was titled something to the effect of "Pregnant women need <b>milk</b> or their babies will die". BLEAARGH... after reading the article (which my boss didn't do) I got the real information, which was that vitamin D is important, and low levels can be linked with low birth weight. NOT milk, Vitamin D. Yes, milk is a source of vitamin D. And clearly, the ONLY source. MILK DOESN'T EVEN HAVE VITAMIN D! IT'S FORTIFIED! And who had funded this research? The Canadian Dairy Commission. Title should've been "Low levels of Vitamin D linked to lower birth weight". Or even "CDC finds yet another way to scare people in to making money for them". But then both the CDC and the newspaper would've likely made less money. The headline is not quite as SHOCKING as the first. And even scarier is that (I would guess) there are a LOT of people who only read headlines. So there's some pregnant woman somewhere who's reading this, and saying " well ****, I had better go get me some milk!" and proceeding to drink 5 quarts a day. That's just good marketing.<br><br><br><br>
I find it endlessly frustrating that it seems that the most listened to authorities on health issues are frequently companies. People (in canada) see the little blue dairy symbol, and think 'health' or 'doctor'. Not 'corporation' or 'vested interest'.<br><br><br><br>
Sorry for the rant, but do you guys see things like this? And do they not piss you off?
 

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Omg i know!! I dislike that article...My dad saw it in the Chinese newspaper and he was reading it to me. gee...wonder why...<br><br><br><br>
People never seem to write down the whole story...They only write down pieces of it and tries to persuade people into doing something stupid advertisement crap
 

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I see this with a good proportion of so-called science reporting in regular newspapers. When you go and track down the original publication, just skimming the abstract often tells you the author of the piece was quote-mining, misrepresenting the conclusions or is simply scientifically illiterate. And then there's people who take those reports at face value, tell someone else and perpetuate the myth.<br><br><br><br>
For instance, someone suggested I need a protein supplement, because they know this vegetarian who drinks one every day. Or the good old "But your bones will disintegrate if you don't drink milk!". "Erm, I eat sesame, tofu, fortified soy milk, amaranth, almonds..." "Yes, but..."
 

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Grrr, it's frustrating. Why can't it also be "Mothers who eat hempseed/flaxseed/etc during pregnancy have smarter kids?"<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Fish is a rich source of omega-3 fatty acids, essential to brain development, is low in saturated fat and contains high-quality protein. But it can also contain mercury, which can cross the placenta and build up in a fetus' nervous system.</div>
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Hepmseed, flaxseed, etc. are also a rich source of omega-3 fatty acids, high quality protein, and are low in saturated fat, and better yet, without the mercury!
 

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This drives me nuts too. It's like those milk ads where they claim drinking something like three glasses of milk a day or something will help you lose weight. What it's based on apparently is a study that claims <i>calcium</i> will help you lose weight. I hate the way calcium is equated with dairy everywhere! Grrrr!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/furious.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":furious:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>nookle</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><br>
Sorry for the rant, but do you guys see things like this? And do they not piss you off?</div>
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Yes I see stuff like this all the time, but it doesnt piss me off that much because I pretty much accept that most of the planet is filled with people who are completely retarded. Its as bad as someone being "very concerned" that Im not getting enough protien and that I NEED meat to get "nutrients". *sigh* Just ignore it.
 

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In the book What To Eat, the writer, Marion Nestle, talks about this very thing. Though the mercury in fish is actually bad for fetuses, though the truth is pregnant women should not eat fish (at least not often), the fish industry ignores this and claims that fish is good for pregnant women.<br><br><br><br>
And the fish industry isn't the only industry to do this, as we all know. It's an excellent book, I super-highly recommend it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Nookle, your rant made my day. Help, help we're surrounded by idiots.<br><br>
... . ..<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/stupid.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":sign:"><br><br><br><br>
The worst part is the only recent article I can think of that mentioned a vegan whole food as being supreme and wonderful for the body, involved animal experimentation. Flipping scientists had to torture some poor rats to see is they would thrive better if they ate walnuts or not, despite the torture. It was also an omega-3 issue but they narrowed it down to the walnut being the best source for this ability, instinct or desire to fight / thrive even under torture or duress. Jack....s <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rifle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":gun:">
 

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^ <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> !!!!!!<br><br><br><br>
Thats disgusting. It makes me sick just thinking about it.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>eggplant</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
This drives me nuts too. It's like those milk ads where they claim drinking something like three glasses of milk a day or something will help you lose weight. What it's based on apparently is a study that claims <i>calcium</i> will help you lose weight. I hate the way calcium is equated with dairy everywhere! Grrrr!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/furious.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":furious:"></div>
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I just had that discussion with my mother today. She keeps telling me how I don't get my calcium because I don't eat dairy products. I explained to her that you can get calcium from other sources that aren't animal based. I also red somewhere that the countries that consume the most amount of dairy products actually has the highest rate of people with osteoporosis. Does anyone know if thats actually true?
 

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We were just talking about that on another board earlier today.<br><br>
I dont know if its true or not, its hard to know, because even if it is true it could be a coincedence. Something I pointed out was countries that consume lots of dairy also often consume A LOT of soda (most people I know drink at least 3-4 sodas a day if not a lot more). Carbonated drinks are very bad for the body and are also known to block proper calcium absorption/use.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Abyssinian</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I just had that discussion with my mother today. She keeps telling me how I don't get my calcium because I don't eat dairy products. I explained to her that you can get calcium from other sources that aren't animal based. I also red somewhere that the countries that consume the most amount of dairy products actually has the highest rate of people with osteoporosis. Does anyone know if thats actually true?</div>
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yes it is
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Abyssinian</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I just had that discussion with my mother today. She keeps telling me how I don't get my calcium because I don't eat dairy products. I explained to her that you can get calcium from other sources that aren't animal based. I also red somewhere that the countries that consume the most amount of dairy products actually has the highest rate of people with osteoporosis. Does anyone know if thats actually true?</div>
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Yes, because excess protein leaches calcium from the bones, and people who eat a lot of dairy and meat generally eat too much protein.
 

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We were just talking about that on another board earlier today.<br><br>
I dont know if its true or not, its hard to know, because even if it is true it could be a coincedence. Something I pointed out was countries that consume lots of dairy also often consume A LOT of soda (most people I know drink at least 3-4 sodas a day if not a lot more). Carbonated drinks are very bad for the body and are also known to block proper calcium absorption/use.</div>
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I just played with pubmed for a sec:<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Colas, but not other carbonated beverages, are associated with low bone mineral density in older women: The Framingham Osteoporosis Study.<br><br>
Am J Clin Nutr. 2006 Oct;84(4):936-42.</div>
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yes it is</div>
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The United States for example.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Research shows that countries with the highest incidence of osteoporosis, including the US, Sweden and Finland, have the highest dairy consumption rates</div>
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<br><a href="http://lifegetinit.fitdv.com/new/articles/article.html?artid=205" target="_blank">http://lifegetinit.fitdv.com/new/art...html?artid=205</a><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Americans have among the highest osteoporosis rates in the world, while their dairy intake is also among the highest.</div>
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<br><a href="http://www.babyreference.com/MilkingYourBones.htm" target="_blank">http://www.babyreference.com/MilkingYourBones.htm</a><br><br><br><br>
I tried to find non-biased resources (ie, avoiding site with URLs like govegan.com).
 

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On another forum I belong to, someone posted that article and were like "Wow this is great, I'm going to eat fish when I'm pregnant!"<br><br><br><br>
So I quoted some of your posts from here and responded to her post <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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Here is a very reputable, unbiased source that, while it doesn't outright say "dairy is bad for you," at least brings up the problems with equating dairy with calcium.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html" target="_blank">http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...e/calcium.html</a>
 
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