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I get on reasonably well with my parents - i'm not hugely close and we have little in common, but we get on ok - I've never had any arguments about them accepting my vegetarianism then veganism - but lately I've been getting frustratted with them over my decision not to own a car.<br>
For most of my adult life I had a car or motorcycle, then some years ago decided to stop it - partly out of genuine concern for the fact that cars damage teh environment and kill ppl and animals, and since I'm able bodied, no kids, work near where I live etc, I really don't need one - and also cos I'm trying to be a writer - which means I'm now working part time in the day job, to allow as much time as poss for writing - and hence have a lower income and running a car would be hard without working at least an extra day a week in the day job.<br>
I think my parents thought it was a phase, and after a while I'd get bored of cycling/walking/public transport, and rush out and buy a car - they are a 2 car family, and the last few times they've changed cars, they've offered me their old car for free - and seem sliglhly miffed that I politely refused. I've tried explaining that I don't wish to own a car ever again if I can reasonably avoid it - I feel better about the moral implications and have come to love cycling and walking, and resent the time I used to spend stuck in trafffic/trying to park/getting cars/bikes fixed,motd etc etc.... but they don't seem to get it at all.<br><br>
I'm not really askign for advice - i just wanted to type all that and get it out of my system <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br>
I love my parents, and am grateful for such a good upbringing compared to what a lot of people go through - I just wish people would understand that just because to them owning a car is an essential part of life, it isn't to everyone else - and giving up cars isn't necessarily to do with wanting to sit around being lazy and not work instead of running a car, it can be cos I have different values and priorities to them - oh well - wait till they see the bdsm dungeon me and my semi-partner are builinding in the garage - that'll be another fun conversation - or maybe it'll just be a locked door, and when they visit, it'll be just a case of "oh there's nothing interesting in there....no you don't wanna see.....damn I can't seem to find the key.....etc " <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
(sorry for any typos - am in a cafe typing on the phone - the text is so small I can barley read <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br>
God they do nice soya-lattes here - why don't mine at home taste this good? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Cars are overrated. I've never owned one. Once you get used to your new routine of biking/walking/public transportation (which you clearly already have) - there's nothing to it. Although I will never get used to walking on sheets of ice in the winter. Those are the days I wish I owned a hover craft. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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I remember one week having to borrow my dad's spiked running shoes to walk to work, cos the roads were covered in sheet ice <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I'm 48 and don't own a car and I love it. In a strange way it's also helped me get over my social anxiety. I take the bus everywhere in town that I can't walk to, the bus drivers talk to me, passengers strike up conversations with me, and I've met quite a few nice interesting people. When I graduate and leave campus in August I'll have to buy a car, and to be honest I'm gonna really miss riding the bus every day.
 

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Ha, this sounds like me five years ago. Not the not owning of a car, but I didn't want to learn to drive one! I hate cars and don't see the point, when I can't afford one anyway. I get by just fine by walking everywhere and occasionally using the bus. My parents insisted on wasting money on driving lessons for me when was 17 (even though I told them I didn't want to learn) and then wondered why I failed my test because I panicked everytime I got behind the wheel.<br><br>
So yeh, I her you, soyabean, cars are a waste of money and fuel. You're not alone. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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i can't imagine life without being able to go to home depot and load my truck up with construction materials. i do hate my commute to work though. i don't see how you could get by without a car if you live in the countryside.
 

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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3nMnr8ZirI" target="_blank">BICYCLE RIGHTS, WHO NEEDS A CAR?</a>
 

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I will never be without a car but to each their own. Seems this is sorta like kids. Just because you (general you) have one, doesn't mean I want/need one. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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Ah, parents. They can be quite the annoyance.<br><br>
I wish I lived somewhere where I didn't have to have a car. They're a huge pain in the ass.
 

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i can't imagine life without being able to go to home depot and load my truck up with construction materials. i do hate my commute to work though. i don't see how you could get by without a car if you live in the countryside.</div>
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Yeah, country living and no car might be an impossibility.
 

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I will never be without a car but to each their own. Seems this is sorta like kids. Just because you (general you) have one, doesn't mean I want/need one. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"></div>
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I couldn't deal without having a car either but I really admire car free people.
 

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let's face it. virtually everyone is riding SOMETHING. if there were a subway at the end of my dirt road, i'd be taking that. either you live in an area with adequate public transportation, or you don't. if you live in nyc, a car is a liability. here it's an absolute necessity.
 

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i'd love to not have a car. when i worked near home i walked everyday. but working far makes having one a necessity. public transport here sucks.
 

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The place I live is fine for me to live without a car. I don't especially like traveling in someone else' car - it reminds me of the environmental issue, plus I find it so tedious to sit in a car for hours now that I'm used to not traveling that way. Friends or family sometimes suggest trips to places, that involve maybe 2.5 hours sitting in a car, a few hours at the destination, and then 2.5 hours traveling back - and can't understand why I don't feel like spending 5 hours sitting in a car in order to go somewhere for the afternoon <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br>
If there was a place I really wanted to go, I don't mind traveling - but the places my family and friends go on trips to, are rarely places I want to go anyway. My idea of a wonderful day is spending time with close friends, sitting in the park, sitting in the library writing, or an interesting museum or gallery. I was born into a family where a day-trip has to be to somewhere where you either walk around some kinda of retail businesses looking at stuff to buy, or some kinda tourist attraction.<br>
I love my family, but I can't help wondering if I was switched as a baby <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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You can always rent-that's what I do since I sold my truck.<br><br>
Of course I do live close to downtown in a place with decent transit and easy cycling options.
 

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I live in an area that is not serviced by a public transit system. I also travel during the summer, I pull a camper across country most years, (public bus systems have issues with hooking up to my camper)<br>
The few times I did ride a bus for what ever reason, it was painful to stop at every corner to pick up people or let them off.<br><br>
If you can get along without a car, then my personal suggestion would be to go without it, they cost money to buy, to run, to maintain to insure.<br><br>
Cars also become habits. If I want to go, I can go when I want to go, I dont have to plan my trip by a bus schedual, I just simply go.
 

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i think it all depends on where you live. i live in Toronto and i am fine without it but i heard that in let's say LA it it is different. I don't really have a choice because i have epilepsy. but here it isn't a big deal. i am almost 30 and i never had a car. i have no issues with that. yes, it takes me longer to get to some parts of the city and i have a problem with getting a job in the suburbs but i know that i can have a life without a problem as a public transit rider
 

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I've never owned a car and have a fear of driving (because last time I got behind the wheel I caused a wreck). Being that I am in west Texas, it sucks to not have one, but my fiance and I are thinking biking might be the way to go once we move to Austin (or any other bike-friendly town).
 

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Ha, this sounds like me five years ago. Not the not owning of a car, but I didn't want to learn to drive one! I hate cars and don't see the point, when I can't afford one anyway. I get by just fine by walking everywhere and occasionally using the bus. My parents insisted on wasting money on driving lessons for me when was 17 (even though I told them I didn't want to learn) and then wondered why I failed my test because I panicked everytime I got behind the wheel.<br><br>
So yeh, I her you, soyabean, cars are a waste of money and fuel. You're not alone. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"></div>
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This is so me but I paid for lessons myself and they were a waste. We practiced turning and stopping smoothly in a vacant lot for most of the lessons. At $65/hr., I expected more. No one in my family had the time to teach me. My dad (the worst driver EVER) drove around with me a couple times though. He gave me zero feedback on how I was doing, would tell me to turn the exact moment I got to a corner rather than ahead of time and then screamed at me / insulted me when I chose to be safer by going on ahead and turning later. I also panic and get upset whenever I get behind the wheel. Many drivers around here seem to be jerks and I can't stand sharing the road with them. The people at the DMV give me a strange look when I go in to renew my permit year after year.<br><br>
My boyfriend is a very good driver and asked if I'd give it another try with him this year. I just might.
 
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