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I was hoping I could find some vegetarians and/or vegans who haven't been veggie their entire life with something quite serious :(

well - i can't say I'm vegan because im not super strict with sauces etc. but i dont eat eggs, milk or cheese, but im not really good with double checking absolutely everything for dairy and egg - still learning!

Anyway - i've only been vegetarian for about 2 months (I know, pathetic) and theres this one thing i cant kick which is annoying and makes me feel so so bad.

I guess it's years of conditioning.... but when I stumble across pictures of meat on the internet I still find myself getting hungry and salivating.

On one hand I feel really sick because I think of the blood and flesh and suffering and how these cuts of meat used to be a part of a living creatue, but theres this deep thing instead me that makes me almost... hungry.

Not for that particular food, but just hungry in general and I hate it because it's mixed with guilt.

Because I hate the idea of killing, and I hate myself a bit for ever eating meat and ever turning a blind eye to it - so this naggling thing makes me feel like I'm stuck in that world.

Has anyone else experienced this? Does it go away? Any advice?

I just remind myself at the moment what has been sacrified for that "food" and how in reality it's absolutely disgusting and it works to an extent, but I want it to not be forced - like quitting smoking - and want to ACTUALLY be 10000% revolted by the concept.

Please help me!

SJD
 

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Check out this discussion. I just gave the same answer I give to you, there.
And don't consider yourself 'pathetic'!! For goodness, no! You are an amazing person who can think clear, and make choices. It doesn't matter you start today, or tomorrow, to be vegan. It is all about you have a consciousness. Most people unfortunately ignore it completely. I respect you for searching answers, trying. I know is hard, read my post in the link above.., but it takes time.
Yesterday I bought a medical adhesive tape from a drugstore, and I didn't know can be such products made out of silk. I never thought of this. And at home I had a real dilemma with myself, not because of the price of that article, it was about 1 euro, just nothing. But for buying it, and by this promoting its selling, yeah I know, with one more article sold, it may sound crazy I'm being so picky, but is just my belief I respect, and refuse to compromise. So I drove back to the drugstore about 10 miles just to change that adhesive tape, which the lady there considered really cuckoo from me. Maybe it is indeed. But I have my rules, and I respect them, because it means I respect myself, that is all about. I consider that killing, by boiling them, even 50/60 little creatures that maybe were used to make 5 meters of medical adhesive tape, is wrong. And I believe that, and I respect what I believe. If you get the point, from.. as vague as I can explain..
Is not wrong you have the instinct to ignore this rules, I mean to drive 10 miles to there and 10 miles back for an article costing 1 euro, it is really crazy!! Indeed. But is it?.. In fact I drove not only to return that product, but to change it with a cotton made one, because I needed an adhesive tape for immediate use. But some may say, especially for medical purpose, it could be very easy pass, my vegan rule. Just to be more careful next time etc. Well, if I was in a real emergency maybe I would have skipped the rule. But since I could do it, my mind just 'forced' me to grab the keys, and to open the garage. :)
I salivate at meat to, when I go to my parents in visit and they cook something, that I used to eat too some past days, it gives me.. recalls, and they are not bad recalls. But I know what I am, what I believe in, and I know my beliefs are not crazy, as they look from the non vegan perspective.
Be, in the first place, more confident to yourself. What you do is what you find logical, not what you force your mind to accept. This it looks like religion, but is not. If would be, I won't follow it anymore, anyway. And many others, I think.
 

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SJD, it will go away or at least reduce a lot in intensity. You have years of food culture to get free from, that ain't easy now but it will be with time. Be proud of your choice, heck you could be on your first week of transitioning to vegan and you should still be as proud! Even meatless mondays for omnivores counts. Your taste buds need time to adjust. The more plants you eat, the more you will like eating them. I used to hate asparagus and broccoli and brussel sprouts, and I mean really hate them. Now I add them to my meal without thinking I have to eat them to be healthy, I WANT them in my meals because I found yummy ways to prepare them.

I'm coming from a hunting and trapping family, yeah meat on the table everyday and no variety in veggies (carrots, potatoes, green beans). I was a full omnivore loving my meat and I was so sure transitioning would be difficult. But it was not that bad at all because my ethics were stronger. I stumbled, I made mistakes, still am even today because labels are tricky *******s and my memory is not on a genius level for all the non-vegan words.

Heck, I'm sure some of us still find the aroma of bacon tempting and agree we remember it tasting good, but no way we would eat it. Over the years it's a temptation that grows dim though. I'm not a fan of fake meat so I guess my taste buds have not entertain a meat flavor in my diet. Might be why I can now smell a BBQ and go MEH! about it.

You are on the right path, keep doing what you do, seeing the suffering of the animal behind the steak and the cheese because you are not blind anymore. Change is not easy but you are doing it for a good cause, for compassion! It's worth suffering a bit ourselves no? Especially since it's just taste buds suffering and not a real pain compared to what farm animals are enduring their whole sad life.
 

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Sometimes I still eat meat, but not often. My wife is a life-long vegetarian (no eggs either) so I eat what she does for the most part. About ten days ago we were at the grocery store and I bought a frozen beef mac n' cheese dinner. I ate it that night and got sick. I hadn't had beef for several months and I am sure that was the cause of my discomfort.

Not meaning to be gross here but -I have noticed that generally, my bowel movements are freakishly regular and (feels better?) when I am eating vegetarian for weeks and months. As soon as I introduce meat -and it doesn't seem to matter what kind, I get cramps, constipation, and occasional extreme discomfort passing a stool.

It is difficult to ignore meat cravings in spite of how it makes me feel physically. My whole life has been meat. Meat and potatoes. Forty-odd years of simple conditioning, nothing more. It does help that my wife/partner has excellent vegetarian cooking skills and the patience of Job.
 

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Hi sydvicious,


I've been a vegan for 24 years, and I still sometimes enjoy the sight of meat. I don't worry about it; simply thinking about meat doesn't harm the animals.


Do you enjoy any of the store-bought vegetarian burgers? You can chop or crumble them, and add them to spaghetti, chili, tacos, burritos etc. Add some salsa or steak sauce (A1 Steak Sauce is vegan), and it's makes a satisfying meat-like meal.
 

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Get on youtube and watch a whole bunch of slaughterhouse and torture vids, realizing each one those animals was robbed of life right at that moment, see what they had to endure. Makes that thick juicy beef steak seem a lot less appetizing, eh?
 

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Anyway - i've only been vegetarian for about 2 months (I know, pathetic)
There's no need to beat yourself up! We all had to start somewhere, unless we were lucky enough to be born into a vegan/vegetarian family. I'd guess that the vast majority of us here are NOT lifelong vegans/vegetarians, so we were all new at one point. :)

and theres this one thing i cant kick which is annoying and makes me feel so so bad.

I guess it's years of conditioning.... but when I stumble across pictures of meat on the internet I still find myself getting hungry and salivating.

On one hand I feel really sick because I think of the blood and flesh and suffering and how these cuts of meat used to be a part of a living creatue, but theres this deep thing instead me that makes me almost... hungry.

Not for that particular food, but just hungry in general and I hate it because it's mixed with guilt.

Because I hate the idea of killing, and I hate myself a bit for ever eating meat and ever turning a blind eye to it - so this naggling thing makes me feel like I'm stuck in that world.

Has anyone else experienced this? Does it go away? Any advice?

I just remind myself at the moment what has been sacrified for that "food" and how in reality it's absolutely disgusting and it works to an extent, but I want it to not be forced - like quitting smoking - and want to ACTUALLY be 10000% revolted by the concept.

Please help me!

SJD
Honestly, it wasn't like that for me at all. I went cold turkey [funny pun, right?] from big-time meat eater to vegetarian. (Like you, I'm practically vegan, but it's the occasional forbidden ingredient that keeps me from being able to use that label for myself.) But we're all different. Just because *I* didn't salivate over meat afterward doesn't mean that no one else will. If I were you, I'd be kind to myself! Just stay focused on what you already know, i.e., that meat equals cruelty--and you don't want to participate in that cruelty. Who cares if you find the smell of BBQ tantalizing, or wish you could have a big steak again? As long as you're clear on what your reasons are for deciding NOT to eat meat any more, you'll be fine.

Personally, I absolutely LOVE some of the faux meat products that are available now, so I have no problem recommending them. Try something like Morningstar Farms BBQ Riblets. They're really good! And they may help satisfy the need/desire/pleasure/whatever that you're missing right now.
 

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I was hoping I could find some vegetarians and/or vegans who haven't been veggie their entire life with something quite serious :(

well - i can't say I'm vegan because im not super strict with sauces etc. but i dont eat eggs, milk or cheese, but im not really good with double checking absolutely everything for dairy and egg - still learning!

Anyway - i've only been vegetarian for about 2 months (I know, pathetic) and theres this one thing i cant kick which is annoying and makes me feel so so bad.

I guess it's years of conditioning.... but when I stumble across pictures of meat on the internet I still find myself getting hungry and salivating.

On one hand I feel really sick because I think of the blood and flesh and suffering and how these cuts of meat used to be a part of a living creatue, but theres this deep thing instead me that makes me almost... hungry.

Not for that particular food, but just hungry in general and I hate it because it's mixed with guilt.

Because I hate the idea of killing, and I hate myself a bit for ever eating meat and ever turning a blind eye to it - so this naggling thing makes me feel like I'm stuck in that world.

Has anyone else experienced this? Does it go away? Any advice?

I just remind myself at the moment what has been sacrified for that "food" and how in reality it's absolutely disgusting and it works to an extent, but I want it to not be forced - like quitting smoking - and want to ACTUALLY be 10000% revolted by the concept.

Please help me!

SJD
Hi and welcome. :) Make sure you are eating enough. Vegan food is far lower in calories and higher in bulk than meat, so you have to eat more food; it is verrry common for new vegans to come here for help because they are feeling tired or weak or craving meat. You are probably just hungry.
 

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This happens to me sometimes too! Often during lunch I find myself sitting across someone who is for example, eating roast chicken and fries, and I suddenly want it. I ask myself what I'm craving, for example something oily and something salty (Which is basically what the roast chicken is). Think of something that that fits those requirements but is vegetarian, and make it when you get home.

Another tip that works well is to have roast veggies with sauce/marinade that is normally for meat. You could choose something that tastes bland on it's own (for example roast potatos) with the sauce and it'll taste similar to the meat you're craving. For example, my family uses this steak sauce whenever they have steak, so I just roast mixed veggies and have it with the sauce, and it satisfies my cravings. Meat doesn't taste good without sauce or marinade anyways, so it's probably the sauce you're craving.
 

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Another tip that works well is to have roast veggies with sauce/marinade that is normally for meat. You could choose something that tastes bland on it's own (for example roast potatos) with the sauce and it'll taste similar to the meat you're craving. For example, my family uses this steak sauce whenever they have steak, so I just roast mixed veggies and have it with the sauce, and it satisfies my cravings. Meat doesn't taste good without sauce or marinade anyways, so it's probably the sauce you're craving.
That's what I do with veggie burgers. My absolute favorite burgers are Morningstar Farms Tomato & Basil Pizza Burgers (that taste NOTHING like pizza to me, at all, but they're really good--savory and delicious). I slather BBQ sauce or A1 or Heinz 57 on them and heat them [in the oven or microwave], and they're WONDERFUL! I highly recommend this approach.
 

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I've recently acquired quite a taste for faux meats! Morningstar BBq riblets are that good! They are vegan, and good by themselves on a bun, with cole slaw topping, or on a homemade pizza with pineapple and peppers
Gardien fishless fillets are remarkable, and I didn't even like fish.
Beyond Meat feisty ground is good in Mexican style, adding just what taco salad need.
Sure, you can do a lot with lentils and grains, but sometimes I crave what I used to love and all the above fills that
Although tempeh and toppings do it best for a lot of things, mostly a good grilled Reuben!

It's always been a memory that I missed. It wasn't long after giving it up (for the last time) that I associated all meat with horror. the same way I'd see roadkill, or the feeling of knowing someone died. But that memory of making dinners that involved meat were things I did miss, but it was replicating the memory that I wanted.
 

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Pavlov and his dog, that's all it is. You were conditioned by your culture to respond this way to PRESENTATIONS of cooked meat. If it were "nature" you'd start salivating over photos of raw flesh, or even standing near a live cow, the way lions and other predators do.

You are excited by the presentation or cooking style, not flesh itself. That's one of the reasons people compare food advertising to porn...it's a conditioned response to a cultivated image that is removed from your natural hunger, compared to the way porn differs so greatly from how most normal humans bond sexually.

I would be happy to give you examples of advertising dating back to the 1930s which are blatant and sometimes disturbing images of propaganda for milk or meat, such as Carnation ads suggesting infants could drink cows milk (um, no, they could starve to death) or photos of smiling, happy cartoon pigs or cows cutting themselves alive into steaks or chops (this is just mind boggling to me, like the work of a psychopath).

You might just be hungry. Consume more calories, carry snacks, make sure you get enough plant based fat, and use mock meats to help transition you over.
 

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I've only been a vegetarian for a fairly short time, but I had the same problem.

I've found that the 'fake meat' products are a great help in the beginning, though obviously it's a good idea to transition away from eating a lot of that stuff later on since it isn't great for you. But man, the fake meatballs or one of those fake pulled pork dumpling pocket thingies really hits the spot when I'm feeling bad over drooling at a steak commercial.
 
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