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So I'm finally taking the jump... with the beginning of the new year, and my birthday... and reading about the animal abuse case with the Moulder boys in Georgia... it's time.<br><br><br><br>
Going modified vegetarian - eggs from free range chickens are ok, but giving up all dairy, which is tough! Eventually hoping to go vegan, but going to get my body detoxed first.<br><br><br><br>
I'm trying to finish off what meats are in my freezer and not allowing myself to buy any new ones, as I don't like to waste things and am in the job market so money's tight...<br><br><br><br>
And I'm getting ready for my first shopping trip. In the past I'd heard all the concerns about too much soy messing with the estrogen production and really screwing women up. I started reading today and found a couple articles saying that doesn't happen.. then I found an article on a natural mothering board that makes soy sound terrifying!<br><br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/food/soy_story.html" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/articles/gr...soy_story.html</a><br><br><br><br>
So I'm hoping for more insight from people who've been living this lifestyle awhile, as well as any other research people might have done and articles/findings they believe and trust...<br><br><br><br>
thank you,<br><br>
k~
 

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Hi<br><br>
well done on deciding to go vegetarian<br><br><br><br>
If you are worried about soya products - don't eat them, or only eat them in moderation. You don't have to eat soya to be a vegetarian.<br><br><br><br>
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I suspect that whilst there is a lot of propaganda on both sides of this argument, the effects of any given product differ from person to person. As the entire vegetarian thing seems like it will be a big lifestyle change for you, it is likely that you will experience some hormonal changes over the coming months anyway. If you are concerned about the effects of soy, perhaps you should hold off using it to any great degree for a few months until your body has adjusted to the new lifestyle, then you could introduce it to your diet if you feel like it and see whether you notice any changes within yourself.
 

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....In the past I'd heard all the concerns about too much soy messing with the estrogen production and really screwing women up. I started reading today and found a couple articles saying that doesn't happen.. then I found an article on a natural mothering board that makes soy sound terrifying!<br><br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/food/soy_story.html" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/articles/gr...soy_story.html</a><br><br><br><br>
So I'm hoping for more insight from people who've been living this lifestyle awhile, as well as any other research people might have done and articles/findings they believe and trust...<br><br><br><br>
thank you,<br><br>
k~</div>
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Hello MyBleedingHeart,<br><br><br><br>
I've been living this lifestyle quite awhile (12 years vegan, and lacto-vegetarian for 21 years before that). First off, I'd agree that there is no reason a vegan or vegetarian necessarily has to eat any soy. I personally do eat soy, however, it is always organic, and not genetically engineered, and in a fairly traditional form, as opposed to the 'fake foods' we see today which are very processed, and contain substances like 'isolated soy protein'.<br><br><br><br>
Here are a couple links to some really good information about soy. The first link is to one of Dr. McDougall's newsletters that he did on Soy. He goes into each of the various arguments that have been raised for and against soy, points out the health benefits of traditional soy products, and warns against the dangers of the fake foods made from soy. BTW, I do not follow Dr. McDougall's recommendation of eating a starch based diet (I follow Dr. Fuhrman's recommendations), however, I think that Dr. McDougall is very knowledgeable and well researched when it comes to soy, and that this will be quite evident when you read his newsletter.<br><br><br><br>
The second link will show you what John Robbins has to say about soy, and how he answers the arguments made by the most prominent of the soy bashers. He also raises some concerns about genetically engineered soy (most of the non-organic stuff we get in the U.S. has been genetically modified). BTW, John Robbins just came out with an amazing new book called 'Healthy at 100'. He is the guy who was heir to the Baskin Robbins Ice Cream business, but wanted no part of it, considering the ice cream and other dairy products to be damaging to our health. Anyway, check out these great links:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/april/050400pusoy.htm" target="_blank">http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005...50400pusoy.htm</a><br><br><a href="http://www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm" target="_blank">http://www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm</a>
 
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