I try to explain to people that we are vegetarian bevause we just absolutely cannot support the extreme unnecessary animal cruelty and neglect that happens on meat farms. I tell them while I lived in Idaho and a boyfriend I was with back then worked in construction, I used to refularly go to dairies where he'd have a construction job and bring him lunch or whatever. I have yet to see a dairy that treats it cows and calves humanely. It is atrocious. Male calves are simply thrown in the garbage right after birth to starve to death and get eaten alive by flies. Takes a few days for them to die. Meanwhile their mother is grieving for the calf and hears the calf crying far away. Ugh, it's horrible. People argue that this represents only the minority of farms and that most farmers care very much about their animals. How do you argue that? Do you have helpful links that show not just isolated incidents, but about horrific practices that anyone should be appaled by that occurs in all farms? I know debeaking is one.